I think what is important is you learn how to navigate with VO and then learn the applications as would any other user regardless of their ability or disability. I may be recalling incorrectly since it has been years since I bothered reading the manual for Window-EYes, but I think generally it instructed me on how to use WE and not on how to use all the applications. Now it is possible because the keys required for WE possibly change some behavior of an app, they might have touched on the differences, but gee you know I couldn't tell you what impact the windows-based screen reader has on the windows experience. :) I understand some of what you are saying, but yet once you learn VO, you'll learn the apps very quickly. I started off when VO was really new, so I really had to read what info I could find and learn from there. You know it wasn't to bad and really hey when you think about it, a number of people have produced tutorials on how to use this or that screen reader and this or that application, sold them, and made money. You can do the same thing as well. Wait, maybe I should be doing that. :)
On Jun 11, 2009, at 10:40 PM, Mike Reiser wrote: > > I was confused about the editing thing as well at first but am doing > much better now I think. I still goof up sometimes but oh well. This > guy obviously did not read the vo manual as I looked at it today and > it's very detailed in going over the desktop orientation and all > that. They don't describe how to quit apps and itunes isn't mentioned > accept a little bit but otherwise it is very well written. I'm a bit > concerned about Apple's documentation that comes with mac, and I think > the tutorial should be more interactive in the sense that someone > should demonstrate basic tasks while the person follows along. I feel > they should cover basic tasks like using finder, serfing the web, > sending email, word processing, and itunes, maybe one or two more > things. They should also enclude the vo manual with mac and maybe > give a short prompt when vo starts to press a key to read help and > maybe brief instructions on how to read it. I'm really not sure if > this would be too much info or not, however. They will have a welcome > dialog in snowlepard, so this is a good step. > > Mike > On Jun 11, 2009, at 4:59 PM, kaare dehard wrote: > >> >> Interesting, so I'll explore my own journey with you. >> >> My first talking computer ironicly was an apple ii e. My second was a >> dos machine. Neither of these gave me much trouble. Windows was my >> next stop, and with no prejudgement I worked for a week before I got >> myself grounded. Windows 95 98 and xp as well. I then moved on to >> voiceover for both financial and technical reasons. It took only 2 or >> 3 days to get my feet, but I couldn't tell you if it was easier to >> learn, or if my difficulties with jaws and window-eyes were merely >> experience not understanding differences between cli and gui. Editing >> with the mac gave me more problems than with windows but that was >> before someone explained the differences in how the cursors were >> handled. This is not a reporting error, as sugestive in the article >> but a different method of cursor tracking and usage. If this fellow >> writing Was truly interested in understanding the differences and >> giving the program a fair crack, it would have been just as easy for >> him to take advantage of the good help available on this list:). >> On 11-Jun-09, at 9:20 AM, Dean Wilcox wrote: >> >>> >>> When you first started to use Windows were you new to computers? I >>> mean you didn't use Lunux or an older flavour of Mac before >>> hand? I'm asking as I wonder if you found the Mac quicker to learn >>> because you had a better grasp of computers in general when you >>> started with the Mac, something you may not have had when you >>> started >>> to use Windows. I'm not suggesting the Mac isn't easier to learn >>> but >>> I may have a valid point also. >>> >>> At 01:04 11/06/2009, you wrote: >>> >>>> You know what was so funny to me is I have been using the Mac since >>>> 2005 and quite honestly there was a learning curve, but it took me >>>> considerably less time to get up to speed on the Mac than it did >>>> for >>>> me to master Windows and Window-Eyes. I think a lot of it has to do >>>> with the fact that the experience of the Mac and VoiceOver are so >>>> closely related, where the experience of the windows environement >>>> and >>>> the screen reader are not going to be the same. I guess the best >>>> way >>>> to say it is the screen reader does present things a little >>>> different >>>> than what a sighted user may experience and VO more closely >>>> represents >>>> the experience a sighted user gets. Hmmm, hope that made sense. :) >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: >>>> 06/02/09 06:47:00 >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
