I agree, the welcome dialog will have an option to show at startup or not, there could also be an option to show help message at startup or something. My hope is that these help instructions will be put into the welcome screen.
Mike On Jun 12, 2009, at 5:08 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > Hmm, let's see if i can formulate this so that it makes sence... I > think that you have some valid points in what you're saying, however > that info in the beginning about how to get help should, imho be > optional, that is if it was there, you should be able to turn it on > and off. I for one would be half crazy if i was to hear that info > every time, even if i knew how to silence it with the ctrl key. > However, for newbies, this info would be helpful. > /Krister > > > 12 jun 2009 kl. 04.40 skrev Mike Reiser: > >> >> I was confused about the editing thing as well at first but am doing >> much better now I think. I still goof up sometimes but oh well. >> This >> guy obviously did not read the vo manual as I looked at it today and >> it's very detailed in going over the desktop orientation and all >> that. They don't describe how to quit apps and itunes isn't >> mentioned >> accept a little bit but otherwise it is very well written. I'm a bit >> concerned about Apple's documentation that comes with mac, and I >> think >> the tutorial should be more interactive in the sense that someone >> should demonstrate basic tasks while the person follows along. I >> feel >> they should cover basic tasks like using finder, serfing the web, >> sending email, word processing, and itunes, maybe one or two more >> things. They should also enclude the vo manual with mac and maybe >> give a short prompt when vo starts to press a key to read help and >> maybe brief instructions on how to read it. I'm really not sure if >> this would be too much info or not, however. They will have a >> welcome >> dialog in snowlepard, so this is a good step. >> >> Mike >> On Jun 11, 2009, at 4:59 PM, kaare dehard wrote: >> >>> >>> Interesting, so I'll explore my own journey with you. >>> >>> My first talking computer ironicly was an apple ii e. My second >>> was a >>> dos machine. Neither of these gave me much trouble. Windows was my >>> next stop, and with no prejudgement I worked for a week before I got >>> myself grounded. Windows 95 98 and xp as well. I then moved on to >>> voiceover for both financial and technical reasons. It took only 2 >>> or >>> 3 days to get my feet, but I couldn't tell you if it was easier to >>> learn, or if my difficulties with jaws and window-eyes were merely >>> experience not understanding differences between cli and gui. >>> Editing >>> with the mac gave me more problems than with windows but that was >>> before someone explained the differences in how the cursors were >>> handled. This is not a reporting error, as sugestive in the article >>> but a different method of cursor tracking and usage. If this fellow >>> writing Was truly interested in understanding the differences and >>> giving the program a fair crack, it would have been just as easy for >>> him to take advantage of the good help available on this list:). >>> On 11-Jun-09, at 9:20 AM, Dean Wilcox wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> When you first started to use Windows were you new to computers? I >>>> mean you didn't use Lunux or an older flavour of Mac before >>>> hand? I'm asking as I wonder if you found the Mac quicker to learn >>>> because you had a better grasp of computers in general when you >>>> started with the Mac, something you may not have had when you >>>> started >>>> to use Windows. I'm not suggesting the Mac isn't easier to learn >>>> but >>>> I may have a valid point also. >>>> >>>> At 01:04 11/06/2009, you wrote: >>>> >>>>> You know what was so funny to me is I have been using the Mac >>>>> since >>>>> 2005 and quite honestly there was a learning curve, but it took me >>>>> considerably less time to get up to speed on the Mac than it did >>>>> for >>>>> me to master Windows and Window-Eyes. I think a lot of it has to >>>>> do >>>>> with the fact that the experience of the Mac and VoiceOver are so >>>>> closely related, where the experience of the windows environement >>>>> and >>>>> the screen reader are not going to be the same. I guess the best >>>>> way >>>>> to say it is the screen reader does present things a little >>>>> different >>>>> than what a sighted user may experience and VO more closely >>>>> represents >>>>> the experience a sighted user gets. 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