And as I keep saying, make your concerns known. It's one thing to state your feelings here, but quite another in stating them to Apple. If enough people really want this and write to Apple, then there is a very good chance it will appear on the right radar screens. There is a number of features that ended up in Snow Leopard as a direct result of people making their wishes known. So, send your suggestion to accessibil...@apple.com and keep reminding them from time to time. If you think about it, this is how many features find their ways into many products. On Aug 25, 2009, at 3:22 PM, Justin Harford wrote:
> > I've been thinking more about this other language synthesizers issue. > I wonder how hard it would be for apple to include by default the > voices that it uses for the iPhone on the installation CD of its > operating system. That way, a blind person could manage bios and > system installation in multiple languages no problem. And they would > be low quality voices right? So they wouldn't take that much extra > space. Then there could be some way by which we only put certain > languages on the hard drive through installation. So maybe, if I > install my OS in Spanish, the CD will automatically only install the > Spanish synthesizers. Or maybe, it could install all synthesizers by > default. This would be nice for public computers, but if individuals > wanted the extra space, they could opt to not install those > synthesizers as they would opt to not install the extra language > localizations. > > Maybe I might offer another perspective on this. On no screen reader > has there been offered a high quality voice like Alex. In a way, > apple are already stomping on the shoes of Acapela Group slightly by > offering an american synthesizer which far out does anything their > american voices could dish out. I think that standing behind apple in > not including other language synthesizers in Mac OS X because of fear > of hurting Acapela is a silly notion as it places the interests of > business before the consumer, but let's discuss that anyway since it > is a concern. Usually the place of a company like Acapela would be > supplying high quality speech synthesis, which it does very well, and > the place of the company that produces the screen reader would be to > just provide synthesis. Freedom scientific have offered foreign > language with eloquence for a number of years now at no extra cost, > and of course the same goes for all screen readers using ESpeak. The > idea is that you get to listen to stuff read in the language of your > choice, though it might not be the highest of quality. If you want > high quality, you go to a company like Assistive Wear and buy the high > quality Acapela voices. In a way, I would almost say that apple would > have done better to have implemented the iPhone synthesis along side > Fred and the other English voices, in stead of producing Alex, but > that's neither here nor there. > > The bottom line is that Apple is a company which, by its actions, > seems to aim to serve an international customer base. It has been > possible for many years for a person in France, Germany, or Japan or > where ever else to install and use the Mac OS in their native > language. I think that Apple has demonstrated that it understands > very well the importance of including a world market in its computer > revolution. In 2005, they demonstrated that they also understood the > importance of including people who use their computers by alternative > means. I remember an article from Apple to the developers a few years > back, which characterized the last 20 years in these terms… in the 90s > we were working on internationalizing computers so that people of > different nationalities could use them, then came the new millennium > where the new challenge has been working on making computers usable by > people of different physical/sensory ability. One of the first things > I noticed about my iPhone is that the accessibility menu is just down > from international. > > It seems like then, apple understand accessibility and international > as two facets of a single goal, to make their computers usable by as > many people as possible. They should understand that accessibility > and international are practically the same thing because there are > people with disabilities all over the world, not just in the United > States. So yes, apple surely understand this, then there must be some > reason as was already suggested for why they insist on not > implementing foreign language synthesizers. In conclusion, I think it > would be nice that they should include low quality foreign language > synthesis in their OS, or if not that, at least they should give us a > straight forward explanation of why they refuse to do so. At least > this way, myself and others needn't be left so dumbfounded at the fact > that they would include such clever integration of foreign speech > synthesis and localization in their iPhone, and not in their > computers. It really just doesn't make since. > > Regards > Justin Harford > On Aug 25, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> I think those voices were included for other reasons and happen to >> work with VO. Of course Bells for example serves no purpose for >> users >> really, but I suspect they are again there for other purposes. Of >> course you could always suggest to Apple they remove those voices if >> no one really has a use for them and replace with other voices, which >> support other languages. >> On Aug 25, 2009, at 10:16 AM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> >>> hi all I know bad news, bells etc. are commical voices but aren't >>> they a waste of space in the OS, really? >>> Thoughts? >>> Will >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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