Also just my oppinion, but I disagree about points 1 and 2. Can't say I ever have used feature numero uno in any OS as there are so few webpages I'd actually want to read 100% of their content, but someone somewhere will find it useful. You could argue that the reading webpages automatically is as close as Apple could get to a sighted person glancing at the screen when the page comes up and taking in the bigger picture, which we can't do.
Voiceover hints are definitely useful and a good thing. Context sensitive help like that enables most people to be on a way shorter learning curve usually than reading a whole manual and trying to apply things to a ton of situations at once. It's annoying that they're enabled by default for you or I perhaps, but newbies are going to thank Apple for it no doubt. Come to that, so will developers who fire up VO for the first time when they receive a disgruntled email from someone who's asking them to make adjustments to their applications. It'll instantly demonstrate to them the difference between what works and what doesn't, it gives them instructions equally as precise as that email from the VI user would in most cases. Wholeheartedly agreed about point 3 though. I just don't get this one. You also hit the nail right on the head with the reason the option shouldn't exist, it modifies a standard that doesn't in any way need to be modified, purely because of some VI people's rut that they're firmly jammed into. To add weight to a big sweeping oppinion like that, I should say that I was raised on Windows, still use Windows more often than many on here I expect, and I make my fair share of mistakes editing in Mac OS if I haven't done any in a while. I don't see this option as the solution, I see it as cheating. I doubt that many people will see this as an option to ease their progression into Mac OS as one of the other Scott's suggested, human's just don't work that way, for the most part we're creatures of habit even if they're bad ones. Tricky one though isn't it. Emailing Apple and asking that a feature be removed seems somehow wrong in my mind. In any case, I'm not sure they'd get it. I just tried to explain why I disagree with the feature and what's potentially at stake here to a sighted mac user, and she point blank didn't get it. I'm not sure that anyone who hasn't had to appreciate how cool mainstream technology that works for us out of the box would, even Apple themselves might not, they probably see the introduction of this feature as the best thing they could've done to silence a lot of whinging lol. Just my 2 cents, or perhaps pennies worth for those on this side of the pond... Scott On 8/29/09, Scott Howell <s.how...@verizon.net> wrote: > > Well good for you, I'm glad you did not need these features and you > learned the way we all started out. However, of course the only plus > side is that for those who want to make the transition and really find > what we "grew up with" difficult, will at least have a way to ease > their transition over from the dark side. :) So, I agree with you, > but these are small prices to pay if it will truly help someone make > the transition. > > On Aug 29, 2009, at 6:17 PM, Marie Howarth wrote: > >> >> well, this is purely my opinion but 3 features that horribly remind me >> of windows are as follows. >> 1. automatic reading of a webpage. >> 2. voice over hints. I know what to do in a text area, especially when >> it already says edit text. >> 3. insertion point. this has been discussed, it's counter intuitive >> and doesn't teach the vi community how it would look to sighties. >> >> all I can say is I'm so glad these features are optional. they are >> just horrific and no one can tell me that it will help progression >> from windows to mac. I didn't have these features and I am so glad I >> did. mac is not windows, when will people realise this. >> >> overall vo rocks even more in this version, and I am grateful to apple >> for giving us a choice. really glad. >> >> >> > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
