Yes, you can even reinstall your operating system completely without sighted 
help, this is something windows does not provide. If someone offered me a 
windows PC for free, I would say, thanks, but no thanks. the mac does 
everything I need, and does it better than windows.
On Apr 1, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com> wrote:

> All I have to say is that Mac is much much more stable than Windows with a 
> screen reader. If things go wrong, I rarely feel I'm out of control. I am 
> very rarely left in the middle of doing something without speech whereas on 
> Windows it was and still is a frequent occurrence.  I feel much more in 
> control on my Mac.  
> 
> Andrew
> On 1 Apr 2014, at 20:21, Kristeen Hughes <khwi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Jenine, I can basically echo what you say. I was a windows user from the 
>> windows 95 os. In fact, I worked for Microsoft for three years and so had to 
>> believe in something that provided me with my bread and butter, and of 
>> course, chocolate. (grin) However, I could crash any windows system with 
>> great ease. Some of it is the OS itself, which, although it is better in 
>> versions 7 and 8, still has more crashing issues than Mac. Some of it, 
>> probably most of it, is due to the fact the the screen reading software is 
>> separate from the os. this has always caused instability and i don't see 
>> that changing any time soon.
>> 
>> When it comes to iOS, there's no contest in my oppinion. Talks and Mobile 
>> speaks and anything else is just so much more fickle than is the iOS. I, and 
>> lots of people i know, struggled constantly with crashes and lock-ups and 
>> having to turn the phone on and off a great number of times even in a day.
>> 
>> I am very happy with both mac os and ios platforms andwould not want to give 
>> them up.
>> 
>> . on apr 1, 2014, at 2:26 pm, jenine stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> this is an interesting question. from just an average user point of view, i 
>> have been using my macbook pro since early february and use a windows laptop 
>> for work. they literally sit side by side on my desk. 
>> 
>> i had used the iphone since 2011 so was sort of familiar with how voiceover 
>> works and love it on the ios platform that said, it's very different on the 
>> mac or os side. 
>> 
>> speaking first to stability, i managed to crash the mbp twice in the first 
>> week but literally have not made the speech stop since then. has my mbp 
>> slowed down or acted strangely a few times without explanation? yes, but 
>> it's come back to its original performance soon after these fits. 
>> 
>> my windows machine frequently hangs up both in the operating system in 
>> general and because of screen reader/video issues. outlook is really bad 
>> about this and i usually have to reboot at least once a day. yes, i maintain 
>> my windows machine well with weekly cleaning and such but ... 
>> 
>> the one thing that you will find difficult at first but which, if you 
>> continue to plug away at it will soon become second nature, is the whole 
>> concept of interacting with things. i hated it at first and still am not 
>> fond of it. unlike the ios realm, you have to take an extra step to access 
>> some things using voice over. once you get used to it though and combine 
>> quick nav with the regular vo operation, and ask this list a ton of stupid 
>> questions, :) you'll be fine. 
>> 
>> i really like the variety of quality voices available with vo too. it's fast 
>> and responsive. i'm sold. be sure though to give yourself some time and be 
>> patient. beprepared to read over and over any and all instructions, podcasts 
>> and other things about switching, commands and apps. 
>> jenine stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> on apr 1, 2014, at 2:14 pm, scott rumery <blindfait...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> hello scott,
>> 
>> you will probably get a lot of varying opinions on this topic so you will 
>> have to decide which ones you will take seriously or not. having said this 
>> let me first tell you that ever since i switched to using a mac more than 3 
>> years ago i have become probably one of the biggest apple fan boys that 
>> there is, so my thoughts on this subject are going to have a strong apple 
>> bias to them.
>> 
>> if you are wanting a computing environment  that is very stable compared  to 
>> what you are currently getting on the windows platform then in my opinion 
>> you would be very happy with a mac.
>> 
>> the instability of my windows computer is exactly what helped me to make the 
>> decision to make the switch over 3 years ago.
>> 
>> i used to have to restart my windows computer several times a day and now 
>> that i am on a mac i hardly ever need to reboot.
>> 
>> you will notice that i said "hardly." i have had to restart my mac once in a 
>> while due to lost speech or something, but as i stated with the use the word 
>> hardly this does not happen with any regularity.
>> 
>> now having said all of this let me give you a little word of caution  about 
>> switching platforms. i teach blind people who make this switch how to use 
>> their macs for a company called fedora outlier, llc and one the biggest 
>> mistakes that people make is thinking that switching from a windows computer 
>> over to a mac computer is going to be easy.
>> 
>> it isn't as easy as one might think. after all you are going to have to 
>> learn how to use a totally different operating system and a new and 
>> different screen reader.
>> 
>> now having said this if you are determined to learn the new platform and you 
>> do it correctly by this i mean that you don't try and learn everything in 
>> one day you can definitely  learn how to use a mac very quickly.
>> 
>> one more thing. in response to your question as to whether or not a mac is 
>> more stable than a windows computer. remember earlier when i said that when 
>> i was still using a windows computer i would have to restart the computer 
>> several times a day, well with my current mac which is 2012 mac book pro 
>> with 4 gigabytes of ram i haven't had to restart it in about 2 weeks. my mac 
>> is on 24 hours a day. during the day when i am working i am actually using 
>> it, and at night the mac will just sleep, but it hasn't been turned off in 
>> at least 2 weeks now and voiceover is running flawlessly .
>> 
>> i hope that all of this helps you with your decision and if you need 
>> anything else please just ask.
>> 
>> have a great day,
>> 
>> scott rumery
>> on apr 1, 2014, at 11:44 am, scott duck <scottduck1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> hi everyone,
>> 
>> as i said previously, i am thinking about getting a mac and the main reason 
>> is that i am tired of the increasing instability of the pc environment.  my 
>> first question is, is this really different on a mac?
>> 
>> i am using jaws 15 with windows 8.  both are not all that stable.  i have 
>> been a jaws user for 17 years and i have noticed a definite progressive 
>> increase in instability with the last few releases.  jaws crashes frequently 
>> and, even if it doesn't crash, it often stops talking when errors occur with 
>> other applications.  then, there's windows 8.  i don't mind the windows 8 
>> interface but several times per week, i will have a problem that requires me 
>> to restart my computer.  i did not have that nearly as much with windows 7.  
>> also, it isn't unusual for me to install a program which will, either 
>> directly or through add ins, make windows and/or jaws more unstable.  i then 
>> have to decide rather the additional functionality is worth the increased 
>> instability.  i'm just tired of all the crashes and reboots and having to 
>> use three or four screen readers because i have to run one when another one 
>> crashes.
>> 
>> by contrast, my iphone and ipad, while not perfect, are certainly more 
>> stable.  voiceover seldom just stops working.  of course, every single app 
>> is not accessible and they do not all work correctly but any problems with 
>> an app are almost always confined only to that app.  when an app crashes, it 
>> usually does not also cause voiceover or the device to crash.  is this also 
>> true of the mac?
>> 
>> i have certainly used technology enough to know that none of it is perfect.  
>> however, i would like something that is better than the pc, when it comes to 
>> stability.  over all, in your experience, is the mac more stable?
>> 
>> thanks,
>> scott duck
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