That's true, I can definitely see your point there, and something I admit I didn't really think of.
Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:53 PM, Eugenia Firth <gigifi...@me.com> wrote: > > Yes, but there are some folks who could get by with an IOS device only. If > you do wanted BARD, email, and the ability to write text files, you could > very easily just use your iPhone, maybe with a keyboard. I know a blind gal > right now that, if she got a computer, would be better off with an iPhone > instead of what she might be about to do because somebody is talking her into > it. > > There is an organization here in Texas that gives away Windows computers to > blind people. Sounds real good right? The only thing is that they are giving > these computers to blind people that are unable to get them through the state > and in most cases, as far as I can tell, usually people with very low income. > However, there's no training, and they are giving them to people, for the > most part, who know nothing about computers. They come right out and say that > you have to have someone on hand to help you learn your system because they > don't do it. The other thing they do is to put the demo version of WindowEyes > in the computer, and then the receivers of these computers that they will > need to get WindowEyes when the time runs out. > > My friend is considering this, and I told her to make sure that the person > that was helping her get this computer was going to hebbp her later, and I > warned her about getting WindowEyes later. She could NVDA in there, but then > she would have to to learn a new screen reader, and this lady knows just > about nothing concerning computers. I'm glad she told me she was thinking > about it. > > If she were to get an IOS device, she wouldn't have this problem. In fact, > she wouldn't have this problem if this same organization would figure out a > way to give some of these people Macs. At least they wouldn't have to get > screen reader software later. I recently heard a talk given by a > representative of this organization, and I asked him if they would be > receptive to other computers. He said yes, but then he sort blew off my > concerns when I started to mention the issues above. > > Regards, > Gigi > >> On Apr 1, 2014, at 8:08 PM, Josh Gregory <joshkar...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, If I may, and no disrespect, but a computer is still needed for some >> things that a tablet or smart phone cannot currently do. Having said that, I >> will give you that these devices can do a heck of a lot more than they could >> several years ago. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:12 PM, erik burggraaf <e...@erik-burggraaf.com> wrote: >>> >>> I find my mac more stable than pc's although I so seldome use a pc these >>> days and the ones I do use are tweaked down so they perform really well. >>> >>> I've been using a mack for 6 years now and have no reason to prefer a PC >>> these days. Having said that, this will be my last ever mac. When it is >>> ready to move on in another couple of years, the personal computer itself >>> will be on the longtail and it just won't make any sense to invest in >>> another personal computer, mac or PC. In fact, an increasing number of my >>> clients are just as effective on a tablet or smart phone as they are on a >>> computer, and it meets all of their day to day computing needs very well, >>> including: email, web browsing, web applications such as apps and mobile >>> banking, OCR reading, bar code identification diabetes and other medical >>> monitoring, non-verbal communication, literature access in braille, large >>> print and audio, and more. The world of office tasks has now opened up to >>> us using IOS 7 and android 4.4. Several printing solutions are accessible >>> including the samsung one that I am currently using. Simple audio >>> production tasks are viable. And we have access to features that aren't >>> really viable on pc's such as security systems management, and GPS >>> navigation. Soon we'll have micro-location support and many other >>> opportunities that will encourage us to leave the desktop/laptop world >>> behind. It may behoove you to simply invest more time learning IOS and >>> picking up apps and accessories that enrich your experience in the mobile >>> world, rather than investing in a switch to an expensive new technology >>> that will be obsolete in three years. We are just now stepping inside the >>> time frame where cost vs efficiency of PC systems is about to become a >>> serious concern in the consumer market. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Erik Burggraaf >>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 >>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >>> >>>> On 2014-04-01, at 5:24 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> I find the mac to be very stable, certainly far less problems than with >>>> windows. It's not perfect, no platform is, but I have 3 macs and have no >>>> desire to switch back to a PC. >>>> Original message: >>>> >>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>> >>>>> As I said previously, I am thinking about getting a Mac and the main >>>>> reason is that I am tired of the increasing instability of the PC >>>>> environment. My first question is, is this really different on a Mac? >>>> >>>>> I am using JAWS 15 with Windows 8. Both are not all that stable. I have >>>>> been a JAWS user for 17 years and I have noticed a definite progressive >>>>> increase in instability with the last few releases. JAWS crashes >>>>> frequently and, even if it doesn’t crash, it often stops talking when >>>>> errors occur with other applications. Then, there’s Windows 8. I don’t >>>>> mind the Windows 8 interface but several times per week, I will have a >>>>> problem that requires me to restart my computer. I did not have that >>>>> nearly as much with Windows 7. Also, it isn’t unusual for me to install a >>>>> program which will, either directly or through add ins, make Windows >>>>> and/or JAWS more unstable. I then have to decide rather the additional >>>>> functionality is worth the increased instability. I’m just tired of all >>>>> the crashes and reboots and having to use three or four screen readers >>>>> because I have to run one when another one crashes. >>>> >>>>> By contrast, my iPhone and iPad, while not perfect, are certainly more >>>>> stable. VoiceOver seldom just stops working. Of course, every single app >>>>> is not accessible and they do not all work correctly but any problems >>>>> with an app are almost always confined only to that app. When an app >>>>> crashes, it usually does not also cause VoiceOver or the device to crash. >>>>> Is this also true of the Mac? >>>> >>>>> I have certainly used technology enough to know that none of it is >>>>> perfect. However, I would like something that is better than the PC, when >>>>> it comes to stability. 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