Hi. Are there instructions on how you can use both without conflicts? When I used the Mac version, it always kept the remaps in my VM Window.
-----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Caron Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 9:35 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Remapping keys with VM fusion Also, You may want to consider using Keyremap4macbook and its PC counter part. I use this to turn my capslock key on the Mac into VO keys and on the virtual machine it turns my caps lock into a insert key for PC screen readers. Just another option to consider. Eric Caron On Aug 20, 2014, at 4:44 AM, Kliphton Senior <m.kliph...@icloud.com> wrote: > That is correct. You can download it on the mac, but it will have to be installed on windows. > >> On Aug 20, 2014, at 2:36 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona <hank.smith...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> if memory serves it is a windows app >> hth >> Hank >> >> On 8/19/2014 9:47 AM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >>> Is sharp keys a mac app, or something you download once in the vm? >>> Thanks! >>> Cait >>> >>> On Aug 17, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Kliphton Senior <m.kliph...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> That's why I prefer the sharp keys way. >>>> >>>> Frustrated with your Mac, I-device, or AppleTV? New user and want quick >>>> efficient answers? Or maybe you know apple products and want to contribute? >>>> Then come join a list where questions are always answered, and we are always >>>> patient with you. >>>> Subscribe here: apple4beginners-subscr...@yahoogroups.com >>>> All are welcome! >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Taylor >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 4:15 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Remapping keys with VM fusion >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Couple of points here. Firstly, if you delete all the built in keystrokes, >>>> you have to do a lot of finger contortions that you don't actually need to >>>> do, given that the mac keystrokes are much easier to reach than the windows >>>> ones. I would advise people to keep them, they can actually come in really >>>> handy. Secondly, and more importantly, if you swap the windows and alt keys >>>> round in Windows, how can you command-tab away from Fusion, as command is >>>> now alt, so would give you the alt-tab keystroke in Windows? Yes, it takes a >>>> little getting used to the fusion arrangement, but it gives you far more >>>> flexibility than doing this remapping does. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On 17 Aug 2014, at 11:57, Kliphton Senior <m.kliph...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Below is what I found in my collection of mac tutorials. >>>>> Mapping keys in fusion >>>>> >>>>>> First off, it is true that you have no insert key on the mac, while >>>>>> you >>>>> often >>>>>> do need one in windows. You can create a key mapping for yourself in >>>>>> 1 of >>>>> 2 >>>>>> ways. Either using fusion itself, and there is no real down side as >>>>>> far as >>>>> I'm >>>>>> aware, but it is a little tricky to set up because of an interface >>>>>> issue >>>>> in >>>>>> fusion. The other way to get an insert key is to use the sharp keys >>>>> program. >>>>>> Sharp keys lets you remap a few more keys than fusion will allow. For >>>>>> example, using sharp keys, you can even remap your right command, or >>>>>> your right option key, to the windows insert. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you do it via fusion, then all your virtual machines will get an >>>>>> insert >>>>> key. If >>>>>> you have windows 7 and xp like I do, creating the insert key using >>>>>> the >>>>> fusion >>>>>> keyboard remapper creates it for all virtual machines because fusion >>>>>> only allows you to do it inside its global preferences, command >>>>>> comma, and not on a per machine basis, command e. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you create your insert key using sharp keys, then it is going to >>>>>> be a >>>>> local >>>>>> setting for that windows installation only, because sharp keys >>>>>> modifies >>>>> the >>>>>> windows registry to do the trick. Both methods will give you the same >>>>>> result: an insert key that is not just insert, but that can be held >>>>>> down >>>>> as if it >>>>>> were a modifier key for other keys. >>>>>> >>>>>> This answers your other issue, where caps lock cannot be used inside >>>>>> the virtual machine as a modifier. It works as a caps lock, but you >>>>>> can't >>>>> hold it >>>>>> down and press a letter inside the virtual machine, in order to give >>>>>> commands to your screen reader. Sharp keys and fusion itself though, >>>>>> will give you an insert key like the one on a normal windows >>>>>> computer. This >>>>> lets >>>>>> you use insert rather than caps lock for your screen reader's >>>>>> commands, so let's concentrate on insert, and I will leave caps lock for >>>> someone else. >>>>>> Now, let's look at the way you can do it inside fusion. I'm using >>>>>> fusion >>>>> 3.1.3, >>>>>> which is the latest version as of today. To update, go to the menu >>>>>> bar in fusion, vo m, then once right, then down to check for updates, >>>>>> and then follow the instructions. >>>>>> >>>>>> First, fire up fusion and, just to be certain, have your virtual >>>>>> machines >>>>> shut >>>>>> down. Then press command comma to open fusion's global preferences. >>>>>> >>>>>> At the top of this window is a toolbar. Interact with it and click >>>>> keyboard and >>>>>> mouse. A new window will appear. >>>>>> >>>>>> The first thing you will encounter is a pop up button where you >>>>>> choose >>>>> your >>>>>> keyboard and mouse profile. The window itself consists of 4 tab >>>>>> sheets, >>>>> and >>>>>> all those settings together are stored in a keyboard and mouse >>>>>> profile. I don't think we will ever need a second profile, but that's >>>>>> what the button allows. Leave it at its default. >>>>>> >>>>>> The first tab sheet of this dialog, named, key mappings, is where >>>>>> you can swap your windows logo and alt keys. By default, fusion will >>>>>> map your command key to the windows logo key, and your option key to >>>>>> the windows alt key. This is not very intuitive for those of us who >>>>>> are used to >>>>> windows >>>>>> and its keyboard layout, but it's easy to swap them. See below. In >>>>>> this window, you will also be able to create your insert key inside >>>>>> fusion, and >>>>> if >>>>>> you want, give yourself a numb lock toggle as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you look at this table, then many mac keys are mapped to some >>>>>> windows counterparts. Personally, I don't think that is necessary at >>>>>> all. For >>>>> example, >>>>>> in windows, you use control plus c to copy an item to the clipboard. >>>>>> On >>>>> the >>>>>> mac, we're used to pressing command plus c to copy. In fusion, there >>>>>> is a default key mapping that makes command c the equivalent of >>>>>> control c. In other words, pressing control c or command c in windows >>>>>> will do the same thing. This is non-standard windows tweaking I don't >>>>>> like, so what I did >>>>> to >>>>>> begin with, is clear this entire list. To the right of this table, >>>>>> you >>>>> have 2 >>>>>> unlabeled buttons. The left one is add, and the right one is delete >>>>>> and >>>>> entry >>>>>> in this table. Just focus on the right button of the 2, and hit vo >>>>>> space >>>>> until >>>>>> the list is empty. You will also delete the undesired alt and windows >>>>>> logo key mappings this way. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, you must create your own mappings, so that your mac command key >>>>>> will become the alt key in windows, and so that your option key can >>>>>> become your windows logo key inside windows. Here's how to do it. >>>>>> >>>>>> First, click add, to add a new mapping to the table. This is the left >>>>> unlabeled >>>>>> button, to the right of the table. A new window appears, that you >>>>>> will >>>>> later >>>>>> close with an ok button to return here. >>>>>> >>>>>> In the new window, you see your mac modifier keys with checkboxes, >>>>>> and a combo box for an additional key. For example, you will hear >>>>>> shift >>>>> unchecked >>>>>> checkbox, and command, unchecked checkbox. In this case, where we >>>>>> want to map our option key to the windows logo key, we don't need the >>>>>> combo boxes in this dialog, so ignore them for now. Focus on the >>>>>> from, and the >>>>> to, >>>>>> parts. >>>>>> >>>>>> We are mapping our option key to the windows logo key. In the from, >>>>>> area, tick the checkbox for the option key. Leave the rest in the >>>>>> from for what >>>>> it >>>>>> is. Next, find the text that says, to. Here, you will find checkboxes >>>>>> for >>>>> the >>>>>> windows counterparts of the mac key you are mapping. Now take care. >>>>>> One of those checkboxes will only say, checkbox, without a >>>>>> description like >>>>> alt, >>>>>> or control. It is this unlabeled checkbox that we need to map our >>>>>> option >>>>> key >>>>>> to. On the screen, this checkbox, in the to, field, is an icon with >>>>>> the >>>>> windows >>>>>> logo key. So tick that box. Finally, proceed to the okay button and >>>>>> press >>>>> it. >>>>>> You will return to the command comma, toolbar item keyboard and mouse >>>>>> screen, where you pressed the unlabeled add button. your first key >>>>>> mapping, is in place. Option is now windows logo as soon as the >>>>>> virtual windows machine is active. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, repeat the same procedure for your alt key. So, click add, then >>>>>> in >>>>> the >>>>>> from, field, tick command, then in the to, field, click alt, and >>>>>> press >>>>> okay. >>>>>> Now that you know how to remap keys, you can do the same thing for >>>>>> your insert key. However, this is where it is a little tricky and you >>>>>> will soon understand why. >>>>>> >>>>>> As above, again click the add button in this dialog. Reminder: we >>>>>> came >>>>> here >>>>>> by starting fusion, then command comma, then keyboard and mouse from >>>>>> the toolbar, then the first tab sheet named key mappings. >>>>>> >>>>>> After the remapper dialog with the from, and to, field, appears >>>>>> again, do >>>>> the >>>>>> following to create your insert key. >>>>>> >>>>>> In the from, field, you need to choose which key on your keyboard is >>>>>> going to loose its function for windows, and act as your new insert >>>>>> key. Leave >>>>> all >>>>>> the checkboxes for the modifier keys like shift, option etc alone, >>>>>> and >>>>> focus >>>>>> on the combo box with voiceover. Once focus is on this field, >>>>>> assuming you have keyboard focus track your voiceover cursor, as is >>>>>> the voiceover >>>>> default, >>>>>> then you can now input the key you wish. I use the accent key, just >>>>>> below escape on the mac keyboard. Press it, or press your own choice, >>>>>> and you >>>>> will >>>>>> hear it spoken by voiceover. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course, because this is a combo box, it does have a few presets, >>>>>> and >>>>> you >>>>>> can reach them with vo space. However, once you do this, you cannot >>>>>> get out of the box anymore with vo right or anything, because that >>>>>> keystroke too, will be interpreted as the key combination you are >>>>>> going to map. So, my advice is not to go through the 13 presets of >>>>>> this combo. Instead, >>>>> never >>>>>> open it and just type your desired insert key replacement, once the >>>>>> voiceover cursor and keyboard focus is on the combo box in the from, >>>>> field. >>>>>> Don't open the combo, just type your key when the box is focused. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, focus on the combo box of the to, field. This second combo box, >>>>>> you do need to open with vo space, because you need to select the >>>>>> item named insert. However, you should only walk to it with the >>>>>> voiceover cursor, and you should not press vo space. This is the oddity >>>> you need to be aware of. >>>>>> This is because if you press vo space on the insert item in the combo >>>>>> box, then vo space, as well as all subsequent keys, will be >>>>>> interpreted as the >>>>> key >>>>>> you want to execute when you press accent, and you don't have a way >>>>>> to close the combo box to get to the okay button. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, after walking to the insert item with voiceover, and the to, >>>>>> combo box >>>>> is >>>>>> still open, you must command tab away from fusion, to have os10 focus >>>>>> move out of the combo box. Depending on what you had open, you may >>>>>> land in the finder. Command tabbing away from fusion is the only >>>>>> keystroke I have found, to get you away from the combo box. Then, >>>>>> simply command tab back into fusion, and you will find that the combo >>>>>> box is now closed, >>>>> and >>>>>> it is set to insert. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, all you do is go to ok and click it. You will be returned to the >>>>>> key mapping dialog, where the list of keystrokes can be found. Now, >>>>>> you should have 3 mappings. One for command to become alt, one for >>>>>> option and windows logo, and a third for accent, that is now remapped >>>>>> to insert >>>>> inside >>>>>> any fusion virtual machine. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you want to give yourself a num lock toggle, that can be achieved >>>>>> the same way you created your insert key. Let's say you want to >>>>>> toggled your num lock with control shift f12. So, first click add, >>>>>> then in the from, >>>>> field, >>>>>> click, for example, the control and the shift box, go to the first >>>>>> combo, >>>>> select >>>>>> f12, move to the second combo in the to, field, and select numlock >>>>>> from there. Again, don't forget to open the box, walk to numlock, >>>>>> command tab away and then back into fusion, and hit okay. >>>>>> This is what you need to do in the first tab sheet of the fusion >>>>>> keyboard >>>>> and >>>>>> mouse dialog, and as I said, it was quite a story. >>>>>> >>>>>> We're not done yet. In the second tab sheet, named mouse shortcuts, >>>>>> you can tell fusion how you want to do a right click in windows. The >>>>>> mac only >>>>> has >>>>>> a normal mouse click, and not a separate left and a right one, so by >>>>> default, >>>>>> holding the control key and then pressing the mouse pad, a control >>>>>> click, will perform a right mouse click in windows, as if you pressed >>>>>> the >>>>> secondary >>>>>> button. Nothing need to be changed here. Of course, you have your >>>>>> windows shift f10 key combination as the keyboard equivalent of the >>>>>> right mouse click. Furthermore, you can also create your own windows >>>>>> applications key, normally near your arrows on a windows keyboard, >>>>>> the same way you created your alt and windows keys above. >>>>>> >>>>>> The third tab sheet, named fusion shortcuts, can make life a lot >>>>>> easier >>>>> for >>>>>> us, screenless folks. By default, if you're inside the virtual >>>>>> machine and >>>>> you >>>>>> happen to hit f12, f11 or another magic mac key that does something >>>>>> under os10, then even if you are inside the vm, you will fly out of >>>>>> it, and land somewhere where you will need to turn on voiceover, >>>>>> command tab back into fusion, minimize windows with command control >>>>>> enter, move the voiceover cursor to where it says progress bar >>>>>> because that's where windows shows up minimized, turn off voice over >>>>>> with command f5, and finally enlarge windows back to normal with >>>>>> command control enter, the same keystroke used to minimize windows. A >>>>>> lot of work, and not funny if you discover that windows no longer >>>>>> talks and you don't know which key you hit by accident. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, what you do is, turn the checkbox off here that says: enable mac >>>>>> os keyboard shortcuts. Now, if you accidentally hit f12 or f11, it >>>>>> won't mess >>>>> up >>>>>> things any longer. These keystrokes will instead be passed to >>>>>> windows, and no longer to os10 disturbing your windows experience. >>>>>> >>>>>> In the fourth tab sheet of this dialog, named fusion shortcuts, you >>>>>> can enable and disable a number of key combinations that you can >>>>>> press when the virtual windows machine is running, that affect fusion >>>>>> itself. You can mess with these because there is a friendly restore >>>>>> to defaults button as well. You will find a table here that you can >>>>>> interact with. On each line, >>>>> a >>>>>> key combination is listed, along with a checkbox to enable it. Here's >>>>>> a >>>>> few >>>>>> explained. >>>>>> >>>>>> Full screen. You need this keystroke, to make windows full screen >>>>>> when it >>>>> is >>>>>> minimized. It is the control command enter to minimize and maximize >>>>>> windows, as already mentioned. Make sure you have this checked. >>>>>> There are nine others, and some of them I have turned off, for >>>>>> reasons explained below. >>>>>> >>>>>> Unity: this makes one space out of the windows desktop and the mac side. >>>>>> So far, I have never used it in daily work, because I can't figure >>>>>> out how >>>>> it >>>>>> works. If you play with it and find out some benefits, please let us >>>> know. >>>>> I >>>>>> have this off, to avoid accidentally dropping into unity. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also off are cycle through windows, and cycle through windows reverse. >>>>>> This is because we can easily do this with voiceover, and I don't >>>>>> want to loose keystrokes that may otherwise be used for jaws or NVDA >>>> commands. >>>>>> Next is hide application. I have this off as well, because if you're >>>>>> in >>>>> the >>>>>> middle of a windows program and you want help, it is likely that you >>>>>> begin by pressing alt h to open the help menu. But watch out for this >>>>>> one, >>>>> because >>>>>> if you don't turn off command h for the virtual machine, and remember >>>>>> that alt and command are now the same key, then instead of opening >>>>>> the help menu inside your windows program, you will instead hide >>>>>> fusion completely, and be dropped into os10 where you don't have >>>>>> speech for the moment unless you turn it on. I fell into this pit >>>>>> some 5 times until I >>>>> realized >>>>>> what might be going on here. Turning this key combination off >>>>>> resolved the issue. Now, pressing alt h will nicely open the help >>>>>> menu in windows, and you will no longer be kicked out. >>>>>> >>>>>> Next, there is hide others. I have this off, because it does >>>>>> something to >>>>> os10 >>>>>> where I have no speech as long as I'm inside windows, and you want to >>>>>> let windows get your keystrokes as much as possible. >>>>>> >>>>>> The same goes for settings, the next key to turn off, which in fusion >>>>>> is command e. I hear you thinking. Usually command comma is for settings. >>>>>> Correct. However, command comma in fusion opens the general >>>>>> preferences for all virtual machines and fusion, while command e, as >>>>>> in echo, opens the settings for your specific virtual machine. How >>>>>> many processor cores to allocate it, how much ram etc. So, if windows >>>>>> wants you to press alt e, then you don't want to speechlessly land >>>>>> into fusion >>>>> settings. >>>>>> Rather, you want the alt e command to run in windows. Turn this off. >>>>>> >>>>>> The last key to turn of is command q for quit. Again, we don't have >>>>>> speech outside fusion so we can safely turn this off, so that command >>>>>> q, or alt q >>>>> for >>>>>> windows, is available to windows and not to fusion or os10. >>>>> >>>>> Kliphton >>>>> ~iMessage&Email~ m.kliph...@gmail.com >>>>> ~Twitter&Skype~ kliphton72 >>>>> "Personal blog-read at your own risk!" >>>>> http://kliphskorner.wordpress.com >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher >>>>> Hallsworth >>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 1:51 AM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: Remapping keys with VM fusion >>>>> >>>>> Well I can do it so yes it can be done. I remember I had to vo-space >>>>> on the combo box so it becomes a list. You then use standard arrow >>>>> keys to find the key you want then I think you have to press return. >>>>> Pretty sure I wrote a guide on this over at www.applevis.com and maybe >>>>> to this list but can't remember as of now. But I know it can be done >>>> without apps like Sharp Keys. >>>>> Christopher Hallsworth >>>>> Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu >>>>> >>>>> On 17/08/2014 04:58, Bill Holton wrote: >>>>>> Hi. >>>>>> I am trying to remap the caps lock and insert keys without using >>>>>> sharp >>>>> keys. I can get to the fusion remapping section, I can interact with >>>>> the combo box with the additional keys. But when I cursor down to caps >>>>> lock, or the insert key, no matter how I try to activate it, I get a >>>>> cap A. Does anyone know if this can in fact be done, and what the >>>>> trick to doing it with voiceover is? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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