keep slugging away, there's absolutely no reason why fusion shouldn't work flawlessly with windows and jaws - it does for me and most everyone else. BTW: that little gem about having VO keys remapped to caps lock in OSX would have helped. On Aug 23, 2014, at 2:20 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think I finally have my problems somewhat sorted. I think some, but not > all, the issues were due to the fact that I am remapping the VO keys to caps > lock in OS X. I now have a scenario with which I think I can live for the > time being. I still need to test with a regular keyboard. The other day > when I was trying to use Microsoft Office and having a lot of difficulty with > Control + Arrow keys although I thought I had disabled all those functions in > OS X, I was getting frustrated enough to abandon Fusion when combining those > issues with the others with JAWS. > > I am not opposed to using NVDA for some stuff but I own JAWS and wanted it to > work reliably. > > Thanks for the responses. > > > > > On Aug 23, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Okay, first, I think you can set jaws to use the insert key as the modifier > whether in desktop or laptop keyboard mode. So, on the simplest level you > could just set the grave accent key to produce an insert keystroke from > within fusion preferences, and then set jaws to use insert as modifier key. > That's the simplest route to take and I've only found one little quirk with > that method. that conflict is the insert+J keystroke combo. in laptop mode, > that combo is the "read previous word" command and it conflicts with the > "open jaws window" command, so it doesn't work right - big deal, it isn't a > deal breaker unless you're really anal about these things. > Guess what? I'm really that anal about these things, and so I don't use that > method but instead have sharpkeys remapped the grave accent key to produce a > caps lock, and jaws uses that as modifier. > BTW: I have found it useful if not completely necessary to have a full-sized > USB keyboard with a physical insert key on hand when you attempt to change > around what modifier key jaws will use. example, if you have jaws set to use > caps lock, and then you eliminate the sharpkeys remap that produces caps > lock, then you have no modifier key enabling you to get into jaws settings to > set it to use the insert key as modifier. At that point you may need to plug > in a USB keyboard with a insert key to make the changes. it can get confusing > and the steps in which you switch out modifiers is important. You'll figure > it out when needed I'm sure. > to recap, using fusion remapped insert key , usually to the grave accent key) > and then setting jaws to use insert modifier is probably the simplest route, > although you may initially need a full-sized keyboard with a physical insert > key to get things started. > > On Aug 22, 2014, at 8:10 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Phil. You are not providing enough information and I may not have done so >> either. JAWS uses the capslock key as a modifier with the laptop layout. >> This is slightly different than an Insert key. What exactly have you >> remapped to the grav accent (`) key? >> >> Although I may use NVDA, my preferred screen reader is JAWS. So let me >> simplify my query in hopes that I can get the right information to enable >> JAWS access with a laptop keyboard with VMWare Fusion and JAWS >> >> What is the process people have implemented to get full access to JAWS using >> the laptop keyboard layout using VMWare Fusion, while also using the >> capslock key for the VO key on the mac? >> >> I'm not necessarily giving up yet and I have a pretty good understanding >> of how the Fusion keys are mapped. Sharpkeys is not at all confusing to me >> if that is the key to the solution. >> >> I use Seil and >> Karabiner to accomplish the use of the Capslock key for VO on OS X. >> On Aug 22, 2014, at 7:37 PM, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I honestly don't know what you're doing that's giving you all this trouble, >> but I can tell you that I use fusion Windows 7 and Mac without any trouble. >> I have remapped my grads accent key to be the Jaws modifier key, or the NVDA >> modifier key if that's what you use. I used the windows application called >> sharp keys to do the remapping. Sharkeys is a little funky and a little >> confusing at first, but it works fine once you do it. Other than this there >> is no reason why fusion shouldn't be working for you. Many dozens of people >> at least on this list are using windows with fusion and they don't report >> any problems same as you were having. I wish I could help you more, but I >> just don't know what to tell you. If you're using a standard install a >> fusion and you've installed windows, then you need only to remap a key for a >> modifier key for your screen reader and then you should be fine. You can >> also with infusion settings set some key to be an insert key and then tell >> your screen reader to use the answer key. I've done that as well. I hope I >> understand correctly you're having trouble with certain keys not being >> passed to Jaws that seem to be getting grabbed by Mac or vice a versa. That >> would be a problem within the global key Settings of fusion. If you look >> around in those settings, and truly understand what how they work, then you >> should be able to clear that up without any difficulty. Don't give up on >> fusion just yet. Once you get it working you'll be glad you stuck with it. I >> wish I could help you more but I just can't. >> >> Sent from my IPhone >> >> >>> On Aug 22, 2014, at 7:31 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I'm thinking about abandoning Fusion and using Bootcamp because I have not >>> found a way around the conflicts with OS X and JAWS laptop keyboard layout. >>> Is there anyone who has found a solution for Fusion >>> that allows *all* the JAWS keys to be sent to JAWS and not captured by OS X? >>> >>> Sure, you can use Capslock + T to read the windows title. However, I >>> cannot use many of the keys on the right side of the keyboard in >>> conjunction with capslock to perform many JAWS functions essential for full >>> JAWS usability. >>> >>> I need full access to JAWS with Fusion or none at all at this point. I >>> really really hate to resort to Bootcamp because the attractiveness of >>> using the Mac hinges upon use of a virtual machine for Windows for me. I >>> need both and full access to both with the Macbook Air keyboard. I do not >>> want to have to connect an external keyboard each time I need to use >>> Windows. >>> >>> Does anyone have any suggestions? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 9:35 PM, Eric Caron <ecar...@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>> Also, >>> >>> You may want to consider using Keyremap4macbook and its PC counter part. I >>> use this to turn my capslock key on the Mac into VO keys and on the virtual >>> machine it turns my caps lock into a insert key for PC screen readers. >>> >>> Just another option to consider. >>> >>> Eric Caron >>> >>> >>>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 4:44 AM, Kliphton Senior <m.kliph...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> That is correct. You can download it on the mac, but it will have to be >>>> installed on windows. >>>> >>>>> On Aug 20, 2014, at 2:36 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona >>>>> <hank.smith...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> if memory serves it is a windows app >>>>> hth >>>>> Hank >>>>> >>>>>> On 8/19/2014 9:47 AM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >>>>>> Is sharp keys a mac app, or something you download once in the vm? >>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>> Cait >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Kliphton Senior <m.kliph...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's why I prefer the sharp keys way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Frustrated with your Mac, I-device, or AppleTV? New user and want quick >>>>>>> efficient answers? Or maybe you know apple products and want to >>>>>>> contribute? >>>>>>> Then come join a list where questions are always answered, and we are >>>>>>> always >>>>>>> patient with you. >>>>>>> Subscribe here: apple4beginners-subscr...@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> All are welcome! >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Taylor >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 4:15 PM >>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Remapping keys with VM fusion >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Couple of points here. Firstly, if you delete all the built in >>>>>>> keystrokes, >>>>>>> you have to do a lot of finger contortions that you don't actually need >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> do, given that the mac keystrokes are much easier to reach than the >>>>>>> windows >>>>>>> ones. I would advise people to keep them, they can actually come in >>>>>>> really >>>>>>> handy. Secondly, and more importantly, if you swap the windows and alt >>>>>>> keys >>>>>>> round in Windows, how can you command-tab away from Fusion, as command >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> now alt, so would give you the alt-tab keystroke in Windows? Yes, it >>>>>>> takes a >>>>>>> little getting used to the fusion arrangement, but it gives you far more >>>>>>> flexibility than doing this remapping does. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> Dave >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 17 Aug 2014, at 11:57, Kliphton Senior <m.kliph...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Below is what I found in my collection of mac tutorials. >>>>>>>> Mapping keys in fusion >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> First off, it is true that you have no insert key on the mac, while >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> often >>>>>>>>> do need one in windows. You can create a key mapping for yourself in >>>>>>>>> 1 of >>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>>>> ways. Either using fusion itself, and there is no real down side as >>>>>>>>> far as >>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>> aware, but it is a little tricky to set up because of an interface >>>>>>>>> issue >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> fusion. The other way to get an insert key is to use the sharp keys >>>>>>>> program. >>>>>>>>> Sharp keys lets you remap a few more keys than fusion will allow. For >>>>>>>>> example, using sharp keys, you can even remap your right command, or >>>>>>>>> your right option key, to the windows insert. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you do it via fusion, then all your virtual machines will get an >>>>>>>>> insert >>>>>>>> key. If >>>>>>>>> you have windows 7 and xp like I do, creating the insert key using >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> fusion >>>>>>>>> keyboard remapper creates it for all virtual machines because fusion >>>>>>>>> only allows you to do it inside its global preferences, command >>>>>>>>> comma, and not on a per machine basis, command e. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you create your insert key using sharp keys, then it is going to >>>>>>>>> be a >>>>>>>> local >>>>>>>>> setting for that windows installation only, because sharp keys >>>>>>>>> modifies >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> windows registry to do the trick. Both methods will give you the same >>>>>>>>> result: an insert key that is not just insert, but that can be held >>>>>>>>> down >>>>>>>> as if it >>>>>>>>> were a modifier key for other keys. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This answers your other issue, where caps lock cannot be used inside >>>>>>>>> the virtual machine as a modifier. It works as a caps lock, but you >>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>> hold it >>>>>>>>> down and press a letter inside the virtual machine, in order to give >>>>>>>>> commands to your screen reader. Sharp keys and fusion itself though, >>>>>>>>> will give you an insert key like the one on a normal windows >>>>>>>>> computer. This >>>>>>>> lets >>>>>>>>> you use insert rather than caps lock for your screen reader's >>>>>>>>> commands, so let's concentrate on insert, and I will leave caps lock >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>> someone else. >>>>>>>>> Now, let's look at the way you can do it inside fusion. I'm using >>>>>>>>> fusion >>>>>>>> 3.1.3, >>>>>>>>> which is the latest version as of today. To update, go to the menu >>>>>>>>> bar in fusion, vo m, then once right, then down to check for updates, >>>>>>>>> and then follow the instructions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> First, fire up fusion and, just to be certain, have your virtual >>>>>>>>> machines >>>>>>>> shut >>>>>>>>> down. Then press command comma to open fusion's global preferences. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> At the top of this window is a toolbar. Interact with it and click >>>>>>>> keyboard and >>>>>>>>> mouse. A new window will appear. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The first thing you will encounter is a pop up button where you >>>>>>>>> choose >>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> keyboard and mouse profile. The window itself consists of 4 tab >>>>>>>>> sheets, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> all those settings together are stored in a keyboard and mouse >>>>>>>>> profile. I don't think we will ever need a second profile, but that's >>>>>>>>> what the button allows. Leave it at its default. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The first tab sheet of this dialog, named, key mappings, is where >>>>>>>>> you can swap your windows logo and alt keys. By default, fusion will >>>>>>>>> map your command key to the windows logo key, and your option key to >>>>>>>>> the windows alt key. This is not very intuitive for those of us who >>>>>>>>> are used to >>>>>>>> windows >>>>>>>>> and its keyboard layout, but it's easy to swap them. See below. In >>>>>>>>> this window, you will also be able to create your insert key inside >>>>>>>>> fusion, and >>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>> you want, give yourself a numb lock toggle as well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you look at this table, then many mac keys are mapped to some >>>>>>>>> windows counterparts. Personally, I don't think that is necessary at >>>>>>>>> all. For >>>>>>>> example, >>>>>>>>> in windows, you use control plus c to copy an item to the clipboard. >>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> mac, we're used to pressing command plus c to copy. In fusion, there >>>>>>>>> is a default key mapping that makes command c the equivalent of >>>>>>>>> control c. In other words, pressing control c or command c in windows >>>>>>>>> will do the same thing. This is non-standard windows tweaking I don't >>>>>>>>> like, so what I did >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> begin with, is clear this entire list. To the right of this table, >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> have 2 >>>>>>>>> unlabeled buttons. The left one is add, and the right one is delete >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> entry >>>>>>>>> in this table. Just focus on the right button of the 2, and hit vo >>>>>>>>> space >>>>>>>> until >>>>>>>>> the list is empty. You will also delete the undesired alt and windows >>>>>>>>> logo key mappings this way. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now, you must create your own mappings, so that your mac command key >>>>>>>>> will become the alt key in windows, and so that your option key can >>>>>>>>> become your windows logo key inside windows. Here's how to do it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> First, click add, to add a new mapping to the table. This is the left >>>>>>>> unlabeled >>>>>>>>> button, to the right of the table. A new window appears, that you >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> later >>>>>>>>> close with an ok button to return here. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In the new window, you see your mac modifier keys with checkboxes, >>>>>>>>> and a combo box for an additional key. For example, you will hear >>>>>>>>> shift >>>>>>>> unchecked >>>>>>>>> checkbox, and command, unchecked checkbox. In this case, where we >>>>>>>>> want to map our option key to the windows logo key, we don't need the >>>>>>>>> combo boxes in this dialog, so ignore them for now. Focus on the >>>>>>>>> from, and the >>>>>>>> to, >>>>>>>>> parts. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We are mapping our option key to the windows logo key. In the from, >>>>>>>>> area, tick the checkbox for the option key. Leave the rest in the >>>>>>>>> from for what >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> is. Next, find the text that says, to. Here, you will find checkboxes >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> windows counterparts of the mac key you are mapping. Now take care. >>>>>>>>> One of those checkboxes will only say, checkbox, without a >>>>>>>>> description like >>>>>>>> alt, >>>>>>>>> or control. It is this unlabeled checkbox that we need to map our >>>>>>>>> option >>>>>>>> key >>>>>>>>> to. On the screen, this checkbox, in the to, field, is an icon with >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> windows >>>>>>>>> logo key. So tick that box. Finally, proceed to the okay button and >>>>>>>>> press >>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>> You will return to the command comma, toolbar item keyboard and mouse >>>>>>>>> screen, where you pressed the unlabeled add button. your first key >>>>>>>>> mapping, is in place. Option is now windows logo as soon as the >>>>>>>>> virtual windows machine is active. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now, repeat the same procedure for your alt key. So, click add, then >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> from, field, tick command, then in the to, field, click alt, and >>>>>>>>> press >>>>>>>> okay. >>>>>>>>> Now that you know how to remap keys, you can do the same thing for >>>>>>>>> your insert key. However, this is where it is a little tricky and you >>>>>>>>> will soon understand why. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As above, again click the add button in this dialog. Reminder: we >>>>>>>>> came >>>>>>>> here >>>>>>>>> by starting fusion, then command comma, then keyboard and mouse from >>>>>>>>> the toolbar, then the first tab sheet named key mappings. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> After the remapper dialog with the from, and to, field, appears >>>>>>>>> again, do >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> following to create your insert key. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In the from, field, you need to choose which key on your keyboard is >>>>>>>>> going to loose its function for windows, and act as your new insert >>>>>>>>> key. Leave >>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>> the checkboxes for the modifier keys like shift, option etc alone, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> focus >>>>>>>>> on the combo box with voiceover. Once focus is on this field, >>>>>>>>> assuming you have keyboard focus track your voiceover cursor, as is >>>>>>>>> the voiceover >>>>>>>> default, >>>>>>>>> then you can now input the key you wish. I use the accent key, just >>>>>>>>> below escape on the mac keyboard. Press it, or press your own choice, >>>>>>>>> and you >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> hear it spoken by voiceover. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, because this is a combo box, it does have a few presets, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> can reach them with vo space. However, once you do this, you cannot >>>>>>>>> get out of the box anymore with vo right or anything, because that >>>>>>>>> keystroke too, will be interpreted as the key combination you are >>>>>>>>> going to map. So, my advice is not to go through the 13 presets of >>>>>>>>> this combo. Instead, >>>>>>>> never >>>>>>>>> open it and just type your desired insert key replacement, once the >>>>>>>>> voiceover cursor and keyboard focus is on the combo box in the from, >>>>>>>> field. >>>>>>>>> Don't open the combo, just type your key when the box is focused. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now, focus on the combo box of the to, field. This second combo box, >>>>>>>>> you do need to open with vo space, because you need to select the >>>>>>>>> item named insert. However, you should only walk to it with the >>>>>>>>> voiceover cursor, and you should not press vo space. This is the >>>>>>>>> oddity >>>>>>> you need to be aware of. >>>>>>>>> This is because if you press vo space on the insert item in the combo >>>>>>>>> box, then vo space, as well as all subsequent keys, will be >>>>>>>>> interpreted as the >>>>>>>> key >>>>>>>>> you want to execute when you press accent, and you don't have a way >>>>>>>>> to close the combo box to get to the okay button. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, after walking to the insert item with voiceover, and the to, >>>>>>>>> combo box >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> still open, you must command tab away from fusion, to have os10 focus >>>>>>>>> move out of the combo box. Depending on what you had open, you may >>>>>>>>> land in the finder. Command tabbing away from fusion is the only >>>>>>>>> keystroke I have found, to get you away from the combo box. Then, >>>>>>>>> simply command tab back into fusion, and you will find that the combo >>>>>>>>> box is now closed, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> it is set to insert. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now, all you do is go to ok and click it. You will be returned to the >>>>>>>>> key mapping dialog, where the list of keystrokes can be found. Now, >>>>>>>>> you should have 3 mappings. One for command to become alt, one for >>>>>>>>> option and windows logo, and a third for accent, that is now remapped >>>>>>>>> to insert >>>>>>>> inside >>>>>>>>> any fusion virtual machine. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you want to give yourself a num lock toggle, that can be achieved >>>>>>>>> the same way you created your insert key. Let's say you want to >>>>>>>>> toggled your num lock with control shift f12. So, first click add, >>>>>>>>> then in the from, >>>>>>>> field, >>>>>>>>> click, for example, the control and the shift box, go to the first >>>>>>>>> combo, >>>>>>>> select >>>>>>>>> f12, move to the second combo in the to, field, and select numlock >>>>>>>>> from there. Again, don't forget to open the box, walk to numlock, >>>>>>>>> command tab away and then back into fusion, and hit okay. >>>>>>>>> This is what you need to do in the first tab sheet of the fusion >>>>>>>>> keyboard >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> mouse dialog, and as I said, it was quite a story. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We're not done yet. In the second tab sheet, named mouse shortcuts, >>>>>>>>> you can tell fusion how you want to do a right click in windows. The >>>>>>>>> mac only >>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>> a normal mouse click, and not a separate left and a right one, so by >>>>>>>> default, >>>>>>>>> holding the control key and then pressing the mouse pad, a control >>>>>>>>> click, will perform a right mouse click in windows, as if you pressed >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> secondary >>>>>>>>> button. Nothing need to be changed here. Of course, you have your >>>>>>>>> windows shift f10 key combination as the keyboard equivalent of the >>>>>>>>> right mouse click. Furthermore, you can also create your own windows >>>>>>>>> applications key, normally near your arrows on a windows keyboard, >>>>>>>>> the same way you created your alt and windows keys above. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The third tab sheet, named fusion shortcuts, can make life a lot >>>>>>>>> easier >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> us, screenless folks. By default, if you're inside the virtual >>>>>>>>> machine and >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> happen to hit f12, f11 or another magic mac key that does something >>>>>>>>> under os10, then even if you are inside the vm, you will fly out of >>>>>>>>> it, and land somewhere where you will need to turn on voiceover, >>>>>>>>> command tab back into fusion, minimize windows with command control >>>>>>>>> enter, move the voiceover cursor to where it says progress bar >>>>>>>>> because that's where windows shows up minimized, turn off voice over >>>>>>>>> with command f5, and finally enlarge windows back to normal with >>>>>>>>> command control enter, the same keystroke used to minimize windows. A >>>>>>>>> lot of work, and not funny if you discover that windows no longer >>>>>>>>> talks and you don't know which key you hit by accident. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, what you do is, turn the checkbox off here that says: enable mac >>>>>>>>> os keyboard shortcuts. Now, if you accidentally hit f12 or f11, it >>>>>>>>> won't mess >>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>> things any longer. These keystrokes will instead be passed to >>>>>>>>> windows, and no longer to os10 disturbing your windows experience. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In the fourth tab sheet of this dialog, named fusion shortcuts, you >>>>>>>>> can enable and disable a number of key combinations that you can >>>>>>>>> press when the virtual windows machine is running, that affect fusion >>>>>>>>> itself. You can mess with these because there is a friendly restore >>>>>>>>> to defaults button as well. You will find a table here that you can >>>>>>>>> interact with. On each line, >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> key combination is listed, along with a checkbox to enable it. Here's >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> few >>>>>>>>> explained. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Full screen. You need this keystroke, to make windows full screen >>>>>>>>> when it >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> minimized. It is the control command enter to minimize and maximize >>>>>>>>> windows, as already mentioned. Make sure you have this checked. >>>>>>>>> There are nine others, and some of them I have turned off, for >>>>>>>>> reasons explained below. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Unity: this makes one space out of the windows desktop and the mac >>>>>>>>> side. >>>>>>>>> So far, I have never used it in daily work, because I can't figure >>>>>>>>> out how >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> works. If you play with it and find out some benefits, please let us >>>>>>> know. >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> have this off, to avoid accidentally dropping into unity. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also off are cycle through windows, and cycle through windows reverse. >>>>>>>>> This is because we can easily do this with voiceover, and I don't >>>>>>>>> want to loose keystrokes that may otherwise be used for jaws or NVDA >>>>>>> commands. >>>>>>>>> Next is hide application. I have this off as well, because if you're >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> middle of a windows program and you want help, it is likely that you >>>>>>>>> begin by pressing alt h to open the help menu. But watch out for this >>>>>>>>> one, >>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>> if you don't turn off command h for the virtual machine, and remember >>>>>>>>> that alt and command are now the same key, then instead of opening >>>>>>>>> the help menu inside your windows program, you will instead hide >>>>>>>>> fusion completely, and be dropped into os10 where you don't have >>>>>>>>> speech for the moment unless you turn it on. I fell into this pit >>>>>>>>> some 5 times until I >>>>>>>> realized >>>>>>>>> what might be going on here. Turning this key combination off >>>>>>>>> resolved the issue. Now, pressing alt h will nicely open the help >>>>>>>>> menu in windows, and you will no longer be kicked out. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Next, there is hide others. I have this off, because it does >>>>>>>>> something to >>>>>>>> os10 >>>>>>>>> where I have no speech as long as I'm inside windows, and you want to >>>>>>>>> let windows get your keystrokes as much as possible. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The same goes for settings, the next key to turn off, which in fusion >>>>>>>>> is command e. I hear you thinking. Usually command comma is for >>>>>>>>> settings. >>>>>>>>> Correct. However, command comma in fusion opens the general >>>>>>>>> preferences for all virtual machines and fusion, while command e, as >>>>>>>>> in echo, opens the settings for your specific virtual machine. How >>>>>>>>> many processor cores to allocate it, how much ram etc. So, if windows >>>>>>>>> wants you to press alt e, then you don't want to speechlessly land >>>>>>>>> into fusion >>>>>>>> settings. >>>>>>>>> Rather, you want the alt e command to run in windows. Turn this off. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The last key to turn of is command q for quit. Again, we don't have >>>>>>>>> speech outside fusion so we can safely turn this off, so that command >>>>>>>>> q, or alt q >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> windows, is available to windows and not to fusion or os10. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kliphton >>>>>>>> ~iMessage&Email~ m.kliph...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> ~Twitter&Skype~ kliphton72 >>>>>>>> "Personal blog-read at your own risk!" >>>>>>>> http://kliphskorner.wordpress.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher >>>>>>>> Hallsworth >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 1:51 AM >>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Remapping keys with VM fusion >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well I can do it so yes it can be done. I remember I had to vo-space >>>>>>>> on the combo box so it becomes a list. You then use standard arrow >>>>>>>> keys to find the key you want then I think you have to press return. >>>>>>>> Pretty sure I wrote a guide on this over at www.applevis.com and maybe >>>>>>>> to this list but can't remember as of now. But I know it can be done >>>>>>> without apps like Sharp Keys. >>>>>>>> Christopher Hallsworth >>>>>>>> Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 17/08/2014 04:58, Bill Holton wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi. >>>>>>>>> I am trying to remap the caps lock and insert keys without using >>>>>>>>> sharp >>>>>>>> keys. I can get to the fusion remapping section, I can interact with >>>>>>>> the combo box with the additional keys. But when I cursor down to caps >>>>>>>> lock, or the insert key, no matter how I try to activate it, I get a >>>>>>>> cap A. 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