Chris, I’ll paste in some instructions I posted back in Mavericks time. Still work as far as I’m aware.
> 1. Go into Mail Prefs and select the Viewing pane. > 2. Check to change to Classic View. > 3. Close Mail Prefs. > 4. Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter after the Messages Table. > 5. Press VO-cmd-f5 to make sure the mouse is focused on the Splitter. > 6. Press down on the Trackpad then drag downwards to the bottom of the > physical Trackpad. > > You will know that it worked because the splitter will no longer be right > after the Messages Table, it will be the last item at the bottom of the > window. > > 7. Change back into Modern View in the Mail Prefs by unchecking the box. > 8. Close the Mail Prefs. > > You will know that the Preview Pane is closed/hidden/disabled by navigating > around the Mail window and you will note a Vertical Splitter before and after > the Messages Column Group. > > If it’s not sticking for you, try quitting Mail after getting rid of the > Preview Pane in Classic view. Once you re-open Mail, you can change back to > the Modern View and the change should stick. At least it has for me numerous > times. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Apr 13, 2015, at 21:58, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote: And here's another! billion dollar question: how do you shut off! the preview payne in Yosemite, and while at it, also how do you do it in Mavericks 10.9.5? Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Kilburn" <kilbu...@me.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate Hi, No, QuickNav should not be part of the picture. The VO-j method, of course, is only usable when the Preview Pane is active. As long as the VO-j action automatically interacts with the Message Content area, it should still work for you. Should is my favourite word in computer-land though. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Apr 13, 2015, at 10:52, Deb Lewis <deblewi...@gmail.com> wrote: When I do VO-J I can't read line by line. It says text but then it's still only readable as an entire message. Do you have to be using quick nav for this to work? On 4/13/15, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I believe what is happening here is primarily related to iMap mail accounts > not loading messages as fast as they should. I have three main accounts > along with a few seldom used others. Of the three main accounts, one is an > iCloud iMap, one a POP, and one a Google Apps gMail iMap account. In > testing, if I press return on a message in either of the iMap accounts, > sometimes the message does not load up as quick as it used to. Closing it > then pressing return a second time brings it up faster and the arrow line by > line then works. In my one POP account, I do the same and the message is > readable line by line right away first time. As mentioned by a few previous > posters, interacting with the message area will consequently allow for the > arrow line by line navigation. I really hadn't noticed this problem myself > as I normally just press return on the message then let VO read it to me and > close it when I've heard enough or just move on to the next one in the > conversation. So, both the VO-j method and mine would not have noticed this > issue specifically, even though it does exist. > > Later... > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Apr 13, 2015, at 10:10, Deb Lewis <deblewi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Voiceover J does not allow you to read line by line. At least not for > me it hasn't. > > On 4/13/15, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote: >> Hi! >> I use the voiceover j command to read mails and that works fine. >> /A >>> 12 apr 2015 kl. 04:51 skrev Deb Lewis <deblewi...@gmail.com>: >>> >>> Yes, interacting has not been effective at all. >>>> On Apr 11, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com >>>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Even if I interact, though, I have to use vo-arrows, I can't just >>>> arrow. >>>> Worse, if a message has multiple links and I use vo-cmd-l to move >>>> through >>>> them. VoiceOver gets stuck on the first one. It might even say the >>>> second >>>> or third as I move, but it is actually stuck on the first no matter >>>> what. >>>>> On Apr 11, 2015, at 10:47 PM, Matthew Dyer >>>>> <ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com >>>>> <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hui, >>>>> >>>>> I also notest this. I just interact and all is well. >>>>> >>>>> Matthew >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 04/11/2015 10:18 PM, Deb Lewis wrote: >>>>>> Hi: >>>>>> I'm noticing since updating the Mac this week that when I open a mail >>>>>> message it no longer is possible to arrow through the message by >>>>>> lines. >>>>>> Now it says message content area and reads the message all at once. I >>>>>> actually don't like this behavior. It just started with this update >>>>>> this week. Anyway to restore the old behavior where the message just >>>>>> opened as text that you could arrow through? >>>>>> >>>>>> Deb >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Have a great day, >>>> Alex Hall >>>> mehg...@icloud.com <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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