The thing is Chris, you've got a snarky, smart mouth attitude. And that's what 
turns people off. It turns them off to you into whatever it is you're trying to 
get across in your message.
If you want people to listen to you and take you seriously, then try being a 
little more tactful instead of being out and out insulting.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I frankly know you haven't done anything wrong, and that's why I apologised. 
> You took the quote, but, part totally out of context.  I said what I said, 
> and had you actually taken the time to read my message, you'd a known that. 
> Just for the record, I said I was sorry for coming across so rudely.  I 
> totally agree initially that I over reacted in how I presented my original 
> question.  This said however, I'm not sorry for the question itself.  That's 
> all I meant by the but thing.  I'm sorry for how I treated you, but not for 
> my initial question.  Is that too hard for you to grasp?
> 
> Look, you created a list.  I don't agree with it, I think you're violating 
> the NDA, I've never once seen where it says you can discuss it publicly or 
> with other testers outside the community forums, and each time I challenge 
> any of you to show me where it says that, you say go read the terms.  I have 
> done so time after time after time and don't see any reference, and none of 
> you ever take me up on my challenge, and show me word per word where it says 
> this is ok.  The point is, you obviously don't like me, you don't appreciate 
> me, so why do you keep writing me!  If I really am a troll as you say, then 
> grow up, move on, leave me alone, and quit getting the last word for Christ 
> sake!  I said initially I was sorry, but then you had to come back with your 
> remark that I went against what I said initially, which you damn well know 
> isn't true!
> 
> If you don't want to hear my comments, then block me, as frankly, I'm tired 
> of the bullshit!  I made one? comment, is it really worth this much list 
> drama that you guys are producing?  Get over it!  Move on!  The fat lady sang!
> 
> You all keep complaining about me, and saying just ignore me.  If you wanna 
> be mature, then practice what you preach!
> 
> Chris.
> 
> OK, now, rant aside, back to Apple! related things for pete sakes!
> 
> Chris.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aleeha Dudley" 
> <blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:06 AM
> Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
> 
> 
> You know what? I was being fairly nice to you, given your treatment of me. 
> But, as someone mentioned earlier, your apology isn't really one, because you 
> place the word but after it. Which means you were completely disregarding 
> everything you just said. And I don't care to be treated like this. I've not 
> done anything wrong, and you need to shut your mouth.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One? comment, and you 
>> idiots blew it outta perportion!
>> 
>> I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking, but I apologized for 
>> my little outburst this morning!  You know what though, as rude as you 
>> all're being in return, I wonder if my apology should have been made to 
>> start with!  Frankly, E T is right! There isn't a need, as frankly, no 
>> longer am! I sorry!  If you all wanna list to break the Apple terms of 
>> service, go for it!  But be sure to ban me while you're at it, as frankly, I 
>> have no intrest in joining a group consisting of bed-wetting 
>> children/whiners!
>> 
>> You hear something you don't like, and you immediately then initiate the 
>> chinwag of, he's a dick, he's a troll, etc. etc.
>> 
>> It takes one to know one!  That's all I'll say.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aleeha Dudley" 
>> <blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com>
>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 10:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
>> 
>> 
>> And now we are feeding patrol. Let's all just shut up and deal with it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Shaf <shafpa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just ignore him. He's generally a dick where a lot of things are
>>> concerned. Don't take it personally.
>>> 
>>>> On 8/2/2015 1:02 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
>>>> I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
>>>> least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
>>>> your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just 
>>>> don't appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. 
>>>> Publicly being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Aleeha wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> In order to join this group, you must be running at
>>>>>> least one of the betas.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
>>>>> betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so 
>>>>> I can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I 
>>>>> really am? on 9?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris.
>>>>> Chris.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" <challswor...@icloud.com>
>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>> I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
>>>>>>> public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
>>>>>>> least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
>>>>>>> apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>>>>>> This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
>>>>>>> Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
>>>>>>> blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
>>>>>>> Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!
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