The only input I have hear is that I think the name of the new list should be 
changed to something other than Mac Visionaries. This is going to potentially 
cause a lot of confusion. If a new list is to be created, then why not start 
with a clean slate and give the new list a new name?



Take care and have a great day.
Jamie Pauls
jamiepa...@gmail.com

> On Aug 26, 2015, at 7:10 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Scott, as you know I'm basically in the same camp as you.  When I modded the 
> AIphone list, I was frequently criticized for being too lax.  and i 
> completely agree about the delete key and it's incredible value. :)  However, 
> unless you decide just not to read certain people's emails, you do end up 
> slogging through a lot of unnecessary junk, which few of us have time to do.  
> So, we all know who the problematic posters are.  If someone were to say to 
> them, either shape up or ship out, it would make the list much more 
> efficient, which I think would be a good thing.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 7:00 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> See this is where I differ although I think you make very valid points and 
>> as a side note I like your posts and automatically gave you more weight when 
>> I saw you digitally signing messages and using strong cryptography.:)
>> 
>> I would say that who cares if someone curses.  I in general think people are 
>> way way to thin skinned, especially on mailing lists.  My thinking is that 
>> there’s a delete key for a reason and further more if that’s to much effort 
>> do to the volume there are built in rules that can automatically send whom 
>> ever you’re annoyed with to ground and remove your personal need to see them 
>> where as others may wish to filter differently.  For some reason though some 
>> people need this filtering to be done for them but in the end I always come 
>> down on the side of lack of moderation.  As I said, that’s why they make 
>> chocolate and vanilla, different choices for different folks.
>> 
>> Keep doing what you’re doing though, I know there are multiple ways to solve 
>> the same problem.
>> 
>> Thanks for the response.
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 7:56 AM, Littlefield, Tyler <ty...@tysdomain.com> wrote:
>>> 
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>>> Hello Scott,
>>> There's a vast difference in overly moderating and moderating of those
>>> who make the community unpleasant for others. For example, should
>>> someone receive an email cursing at them (which happens here pretty
>>> frequently), the problem gets solved with a moderation. Should it
>>> continue, said individual is removed from the community.
>>> 
>>> I'm not proposing that overly prolicing makes a difference, just that
>>> it's possible with an active list owner to create a community
>>> conducive to a place where people can ask questions and provide help,
>>> etc. Can you imagine how much cleaner our inboxes would be (I myself
>>> am somewhat at fault here, as I've said) if we were to mostly
>>> elimenate all the side bickering?
>>> On 8/26/2015 7:46 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>> I’m not sure moderation = good community.  That’s like saying
>>>> policing = a good community and I’d dare say the folks of Ferguson
>>>> or South Carolina would disagree with that assertion.;)
>>>> 
>>>> You bring up a good point I’m just wondering is the tightening of
>>>> the rules going to necessarily translate in to better content.  It
>>>> might but it’s hard to get enough people to switch and keep the
>>>> same value when there’s already a critical mass of people here.
>>>> 
>>>> Good luck though, as one of my favorite talk radio hosts used to
>>>> say before he passed away “that’s why they make chocolate and
>>>> vanilla”  something for the different viewpoints.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Littlefield, Tyler
>>>>> <ty...@tysdomain.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>> Hello: A lot of people have had numerous problems on this list.
>>>> 
>>>> My last response on this list was cursed at and nothing is being
>>>> done to stop it. As a result of the spam/cursing/general throwing
>>>> of fits, I created a new list where rules can be enforced and we
>>>> can have a good community. On 8/26/2015 2:46 AM, 'Gabriele
>>>> Battaglia' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Reply to the Littlefield, Tyler's message, wrote on
>>>>>>> 26/08/2015 at 05:29:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi, sorry but, maybe I lost something. Why a new list? What
>>>>>>> is going to happen to this one? Thanks. Gabriel.
>>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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