Indeed, she seems to be alive and well on the viPhone list, but we live overshadowed by a corpse on this one.
Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 26, 2015, at 7:30 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: > > OK, so I'm going to address the elephant in the room to which you eluded. > Cara, if you're out there, you either need to mod the list yourself, or let > it go! Cara is like a ghost on this list. Nobody wants to "step on her > toes." She is part of our problem. From what i can tell, she seems to want > to retain some sort of ownership of the list, but then not do anything with > it. that's sort of like buying a house and then just letting it fall into > ruin. If we're all willing to let this list dissolve because of Cara's bad > judgment, then maybe a new list is a better plan, as that seems to be the one > way we can all get out from under her. Please understand I barely know Cara, > and have no personal grudge against her. But her handling of this situation > has been very bad. > Best, > Donna >> On Aug 26, 2015, at 7:27 AM, Littlefield, Tyler <ty...@tysdomain.com> wrote: >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hey Donna, >> I'm going for exactly that, efficiency. I've had over 50 subscription >> requests which I think says a lot to what people want. >> >> I've ran this idea by Chris. He's not really even willing to fully >> moderate Chris gilland, so I don't think this is going to work. I >> think he's just worried about stepping on Cara's toes should she >> decide to return. As I've said, my idea isn't to rule with an iron >> fist. You all can do whatever you like as long as you are nice to >> people. I think that's a good enough guideline. That would elimenate >> so much of the arguing I have to dig through here to find information. >> The gems shouldn't be hidden under a pile of trash on any list like this. >>> On 8/26/2015 8:10 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> Scott, as you know I'm basically in the same camp as you. When I >>> modded the AIphone list, I was frequently criticized for being too >>> lax. and i completely agree about the delete key and it's >>> incredible value. :) However, unless you decide just not to read >>> certain people's emails, you do end up slogging through a lot of >>> unnecessary junk, which few of us have time to do. So, we all know >>> who the problematic posters are. If someone were to say to them, >>> either shape up or ship out, it would make the list much more >>> efficient, which I think would be a good thing. Cheers, Donna >>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 7:00 AM, Scott Granados >>>> <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> See this is where I differ although I think you make very valid >>>> points and as a side note I like your posts and automatically >>>> gave you more weight when I saw you digitally signing messages >>>> and using strong cryptography.:) >>>> >>>> I would say that who cares if someone curses. I in general think >>>> people are way way to thin skinned, especially on mailing lists. >>>> My thinking is that there’s a delete key for a reason and further >>>> more if that’s to much effort do to the volume there are built in >>>> rules that can automatically send whom ever you’re annoyed with >>>> to ground and remove your personal need to see them where as >>>> others may wish to filter differently. For some reason though >>>> some people need this filtering to be done for them but in the >>>> end I always come down on the side of lack of moderation. As I >>>> said, that’s why they make chocolate and vanilla, different >>>> choices for different folks. >>>> >>>> Keep doing what you’re doing though, I know there are multiple >>>> ways to solve the same problem. >>>> >>>> Thanks for the response. >>>> >>>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 7:56 AM, Littlefield, Tyler >>>>> <ty...@tysdomain.com> wrote: >>>>> >>> Hello Scott, There's a vast difference in overly moderating and >>> moderating of those who make the community unpleasant for others. >>> For example, should someone receive an email cursing at them (which >>> happens here pretty frequently), the problem gets solved with a >>> moderation. Should it continue, said individual is removed from the >>> community. >>> >>> I'm not proposing that overly prolicing makes a difference, just >>> that it's possible with an active list owner to create a community >>> conducive to a place where people can ask questions and provide >>> help, etc. Can you imagine how much cleaner our inboxes would be (I >>> myself am somewhat at fault here, as I've said) if we were to >>> mostly elimenate all the side bickering? On 8/26/2015 7:46 AM, >>> Scott Granados wrote: >>>>>>> I’m not sure moderation = good community. That’s like >>>>>>> saying policing = a good community and I’d dare say the >>>>>>> folks of Ferguson or South Carolina would disagree with >>>>>>> that assertion.;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You bring up a good point I’m just wondering is the >>>>>>> tightening of the rules going to necessarily translate in >>>>>>> to better content. It might but it’s hard to get enough >>>>>>> people to switch and keep the same value when there’s >>>>>>> already a critical mass of people here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good luck though, as one of my favorite talk radio hosts >>>>>>> used to say before he passed away “that’s why they make >>>>>>> chocolate and vanilla” something for the different >>>>>>> viewpoints. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Littlefield, Tyler >>>>>>>> <ty...@tysdomain.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello: A lot of people have had numerous problems on this >>>>>>> list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My last response on this list was cursed at and nothing is >>>>>>> being done to stop it. As a result of the >>>>>>> spam/cursing/general throwing of fits, I created a new list >>>>>>> where rules can be enforced and we can have a good >>>>>>> community. On 8/26/2015 2:46 AM, 'Gabriele Battaglia' via >>>>>>> MacVisionaries wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Reply to the Littlefield, Tyler's message, wrote on >>>>>>>>>> 26/08/2015 at 05:29: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, sorry but, maybe I lost something. Why a new >>>>>>>>>> list? What is going to happen to this one? Thanks. >>>>>>>>>> Gabriel. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed >>>>>>>> to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To >>>>>>>> unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>> from it, send an email to >>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to >>>>>>>> this group, send email to >>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. 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