Here is where I have the issues I do. We just spent 5 messages talking about who should have hit the delete key first, who should’ve responded. I also want to make the point that I use multiple systems. Sometimes I check mail on my iPhone, sometimes I check on my mac or my windows system. I don’t really want to have to maintain filters for that many systems (IOS can’t even filter, AFAIK). Yes, people could technically filter, but some are unwilling to do so. Even if I filter “fuck” out of every message, I still have to deal with posts that don’t include that. If I filter on that specific person, I still have to read backlash of a community who is pretty tired of this individual. If I filter by thread, any thread tainted by this person is just gone, despite what I might get out of it. Combination of these results in other various issues. I believe that everyone has the right to speech and everyone has the right to do pretty much whatever they want, provided they can treat people with a bit of civility. When people are leaving a perfectly good community, regardless of whether or not they could’ve filtered or could’ve just hit delete, you have problems. People inherently are drawn to communities in which they feel like they fit. I’ve spent months with this list filtered server side entirely to the trash because there’s so much argument going back and forth. So while you might have the right to do whatever you want, that right only goes so far as rules and civility are concerned. I don’t wish to get into a discussion of a structured society vs anarchy here because it is wildly off topic, but by subscribing to this list, you are basically saying “Hey, I agree to follow these rules, if not I’ll be moderated.” This falls down at the latter point, where moderation does not take place.
So what this really boils down to is filters are not really the issue here, nor is calling people out for their unwillingness, or lack of knowledge, or even not having the ability to filter altogether. This comes down to creating a good community in which people can continue to feel welcome and learn. Respectfully, you’ve mentioned that there is a reason between chocolate and vanilla, but you seem unwilling to accept this, choosing instead to suggest that people who want a bit more structure are inadequate and unwilling to take care of themselves. Considering that this includes yours truly, I’m a bit bothered by this idea as it seems to contradict the perfectly great idea that people have differences and it doesn’t matter. I have limited time. I’ve spent so much time talking about this today when I could be doing other things. Next semester I’ll be taking 20 credits. I want to remain part of this community without tweaking filters and deleting endless trash and I honestly believe that I along with anyone else have that right. Why deal with drama when I could be doing more important things like drinking? Thanks, > On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:45 PM, Jim Gatteys <jgatt...@gmail.com> wrote: > > are we spawning two antagonistic people on the list now? >> On Aug 26, 2015, at 1:10 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> This is what I was suggesting but several folks got their panties in a bunch >> and feel that filtering is unacceptable. They’d rather be spoon fed I >> suppose than work their own silverware. >> >> Good point though >> >>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote: >>> >>> may I offer a suggestion? there are mail filters that can be applied from >>> the end user. Most mail clients can actually do this based on a number of >>> criteria. So, if someone uses a foul tongue and makes threats, just filter >>> their mail into the trash based on that offenders email address, or based >>> on a list of words that are offensive. THe offender will realize with >>> alacrity that his messages are being ignore and will go elsewhere. >>> >>> Just a thought. >>> >>> -eric >>> >>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 10:56 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: >>> >>>> Of course, as always, it helps to remember that if nobody replied to the >>>> abuser, we wouldn’t have these issues. But it also helps to know that a >>>> moderator can do this quickly in response to a general consensus or clear >>>> harm being done, and that, for better or worse, people will respond >>>> angrily to threads and contribute to their derailment. I see no reason >>>> why anybody’s freedoms should be impacted by such moderation, only the >>>> benefits that come from a more efficient filter on the list mail than >>>> would be achievable otherwise by individual members, especially when the >>>> only tools available to them are on their devices. >>>> >>>> So, as I said previously, I regard this as a matter of administration, not >>>> ethics. 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