Yeah we can complain to Apple as long as we don’t use the tone we use here. To write to Apple accessibility and say: ”Your product both sucks and stinks and you have abandoned us poor blind” aren’t gonna do a bit good. They’d think us ungrateful and they would be right. I’ve said this before and i’ll keep repeating it, if we complain the wrong way and accessibility stops or gets abandoned we have deserved it. When i write to Apple, the few times i do it, i try to be as business like as possible, telling what’s wrong and steps to reproduce the fault, expected and current results. This gives the Apple folks a chance to remedy the problem, but that’s me. /Krister
> 17 okt. 2015 kl. 14:52 skrev Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se>: > > Hi! > But we can still complain and say a lot of things about apple here. > But why not let apple hear from us by writing to them. > I still won’t stop using my mac but i want it to be better for people with > blindness related problems. > So is accessibil...@apple.com the only way to get in touch with them. > /A >> On 16 Oct 2015, at 19:05, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: >> >> I do think Apple is more committed to accessibility than Microsoft, but in >> the last couple years, Apple's quality control has really suffered, and >> that's the real issue, they release products without fully testing them. >> Regarding Windows screen readers, there really is no reason to pay for >> expensive screen readers anymore. NVDA works very well, and if you have a >> recent version of Microsoft Office, you can use Window Eyes for free. To pay >> for Jaws now is simply a waste of money. >> Original message: >>> Jaws is not the only game in town for windows. There is nvda, which is >>> quite respectable these days. The argument that you get a freebie with a >>> Mac and Windows screen readers are expensive just doesn't cut it anymore, >>> especially with Apple producing but here releases of OS X when they are >>> supposed to be "rock solid". I bought my first mac went snow leopard was >>> the current version of OS X. It was pretty solid. Since then, there >>> certainly have been improvements in voiceover features. I still believe it >>> is clear that Apple has made for more of a commitment to accessibility then >>> has Microsoft. After all, the new edge browser is totally inaccessible to >>> all but the experimental support with the latest build of NVDA. However, >>> Apple is quite open about this commitment, therefore, they have set >>> themselves a higher standard. And they are not meeting it with this new >>> release. When they release a product with serious voiceover issues, they >>> are sending a message that their commitment to accessibility is not quite >>> up to the standard of their commitment to those who do not need >>> accessibility features. Is that really what they want to do? >>> Mary >> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 9:18 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote: >> >>>> The only problem is that Jaws costs a lot of money and Voice Over comes >>>> with the Mac and has no ILM life. I have thought about getting a small >>>> windows lap top but haven't done anything about it as yet. I do wish there >>>> was better Braille sufport on the Mac. >> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>> On 16 Oct 2015, at 4:46 p.m., Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote: >> >>>>> They should really hire a blind software engineer. I think that's about >>>>> the only way we'll get any progress. >> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:20 AM, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com> wrote: >> >>>>>> Hey guy, >> >>>>>> Thanks so much for pointing out this is why it is great to wait to the >>>>>> next version of an operating system comes out. Wow, what a original >>>>>> novice concept that has never ever been pointed out on this list. >> >>>>>> Ok, now that that is out of the way. I want to thank everyone who has >>>>>> posted about their issues with safari in El Capitan the IOS 8 for VO >>>>>> users on the mac. Holy cow, Apple what a crap operating system. >>>>>> Thankfully I will be rolling back this weekend. Just need to do some >>>>>> more backups. Seriously, I love Apple, but you got to call them out when >>>>>> they shit the bed and El Capitan is just that. Apple claimed IOS 9 and >>>>>> El Capitan were going to be focused on Quality Control instead of fancy >>>>>> new things. Well, how can Apple expect any VO user that they seriously >>>>>> test VO when safari on a lot of websites is absolutely unusable. It is >>>>>> great that VO seems to be much snappier but with it constantly crashing >>>>>> and turning on and off it is unusable, and I am finding the same issue >>>>>> in chrome on the same websites so it is definitely VO. >> >>>>>> Another issue which I have not seen posted is how VO just does not read >>>>>> things. For example go through your contact list in contacts and you >>>>>> will constantly have to go back up to a previous contact and then back >>>>>> down again to get VO to read it. These two issues alone are so severe >>>>>> that Apple should fire anyone doing Quality Control for VO or they just >>>>>> do not care about the quality of it. Very disappointed in Apple again. >>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 10:30 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: >> >>>>>>> This is why it’s always best to wait until at least the first, and >>>>>>> sometimes the second major update before installing a new version of >>>>>>> the operating system, let the major bugs get worked out first. >>>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 5:42 PM, Sadam Ahmed <sadam.li...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> This is why I have Rolled back to Yosemite. >> >>>>>>>> These are some of the worst bugs I've seen since I started using the >>>>>>>> Mac back in 2010. >> >>>>>>>> Won't be updating until a update comes out to address these problems. >> >>>>>>>> Yours truly, >> >>>>>>>> Sadam Ahmed >> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>>>> -- >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On 16 Oct 2015, at 9:16 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >>>>>>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> Is that with the official build, or is that with the private beta? I >>>>>>>>> confess I really haven't tried doing anything with Safari over there >>>>>>>>> since I finally got successfully updated. How are people getting >>>>>>>>> around this being that surfing the web is so heavily done now adays >>>>>>>>> with computers? Are folks just using Crome instead? What about >>>>>>>>> Webkit? Is it any better? >> >>>>>>>>> Chris. >> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Miller" >>>>>>>>> <miller...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 6:12 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever? >> >> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >> >>>>>>>>> Safari on 10.11 is pretty pathetic right now. It’s the worst >>>>>>>>> experience I’ve ever had while using OS X. >> >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> Hello. >> >>>>>>>>>> Just been using Safari as I went to the online RNIB library >>>>>>>>>> catalogue. Safari is terrible on that website and I wonder if Safari >>>>>>>>>> is broken? Once I sign in and browse for books either in braille or >>>>>>>>>> for Talking books, Safari won’t read the search results as it keeps >>>>>>>>>> saying dialogue. Also I am going to try out Overdrive again in due >>>>>>>>>> course so I hope it’s been fixed with IOS9 as I had problems with it >>>>>>>>>> when I tried it on the I phone 6 Plus. Now I am using the 6 Plus S >>>>>>>>>> wonder if it will improve. >> >>>>>>>>>> I wish I could get rid of the favourites bar in safari and get it >>>>>>>>>> back to how it was when I was using it in Yosemite. 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