Hey Scott. I actually sold my Windows laptop the same day I bought my Mac. I'm glad I did because it forced me to use OS X and not rely upon Windows as a crutch. Mark, when you wrote, Consider this: If you were going to buy a new Mac, today, it would ship with El Capitan. Now, would that fact prevent you from buying the Mac? because of the reputed bugs?", I just had to laugh because that's what someone on another mailing list did. I actually know the guy. His name was Wally and he bought a new iMac which of course automatically had El Capitan on it. He had it for a week, then took it back to the Apple Store all because the App Store was inaccessible according to him and the bugs that El Capitan has. And the thing that really makes me laugh was before he unsubscribed from that list, he was gonna go crying to his lawyers and file a lawsuit against Apple because of how inaccessible OS X is. So thanks for the laugh.
Shawn Sent From My White MacBook Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com > On Nov 9, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: > > Hi Kawal, > I’m with you I don’t think people enter in to a Mac with the right mindset > sometimes. Another problem is I don’t think they make the leap fully. They > keep falling back on their windows machine and never force themselves to make > the transition. The only way I could make it work was to totally cut off > using Windows for several days and just force myself to work with VoiceOver. > Very glad I did it too. > > >> On Nov 9, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote: >> >> Hello Mark. >> >> Thanks for writing about your view of El Capitan. I hope now I am spelling >> the OS System in its correct spelling. >> >> I agree with you Mark about the E-mail as I have now been using El Capitan >> and feel also that it’s much like how it use to be as I started using the >> Mac when Snow Leopard was on the go and E-mail feels like how it use to be >> as I thought it was better then. >> >> In my opinion, and this is what I have come across a few times, people >> return the Macs when they find the learning kerb difficult, and may be when >> people haven’t done enough research as to what their computer needs may be >> going forward. One should try and see a Mac on display first, have a chance >> to turn it on and have a play with Voice Over if that is what they will need. >> >> I was very lucky in that I had someone who helped me to learn the operating >> system and today I feel comfortable with it as I know if something happens, >> I have enough knowledge to fix it on my own or to ask someone and then to >> have confidence in fixing it once I have had clear instruction. >> >> My Safari is now how I like it and now I am happy with that again. However, >> on a daily basis because of work responsibilities I have to use a Windows >> computer on a daily basis but I will confess, even though I have used Jaws >> since 1998, and although there have been a lot of changes, I am rubbish with >> Jaws and better with Voice Over as nothing is complicated with Voice Over >> but because Jaws Has a lot of new key strokes, I am now rubbish with it. >> >> Thank you for reading. >> >> Kawal. >>> On 9 Nov 2015, at 07:59, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>> >>> Hello Jeff, >>> >>> I, for one, am absolutely delighted with El Capitan. I cannot reproduce >>> many of the bugs that some have mentioned. This may be, in part, because >>> of the differences in the way people interact with the OS and/or >>> applications. >>> >>> For instance, I think the Mail application is better than ever but, I use >>> the mail application in standard/default view, complete with the preview >>> pane, as opposed to Classic view. >>> >>> I think it comes down to how and what applications are most important to >>> the user. For me, the most important application is OS X Mail. So, for >>> me, as long as that one works as expected, then I can deal with all the >>> rest. Having said that, I am finding El Capitan to be a remarkably stable >>> and accessible compliment to iOS 9.x in virtually every regard. >>> >>> Consider this: If you were going to buy a new Mac, today, it would ship >>> with El Capitan. Now, would that fact prevent you from buying the Mac? >>> because of the reputed bugs? >>> >>> I don't think I've ever heard of a VoiceOver user returning a recently >>> purchased Mac because of accessibility bugs. >>> >>> Just something to consider. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jeff `greene >>> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 2:35 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: haven't taken the plunge yet! >>> >>> Hi, Well when OS X 10.11 came out I upgraded and it wasn’t a good >>> experience. Now I notice they are up to 10.11.1 do you think I should try >>> it again? I’m running a 2012 15-inch macbook pro with 16gb of ram and an >>> SSd. 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