Serious patent applications, with all of their overhead, cost about $15k to 
$20k.  FS filed a lot of patents and I got dragged into the process sometimes.  
They are currently using two to bash GW Micro using every tool in their arsenal 
- including patents.

You can go to my blog (www.blindconfidential.blogspot.com) and read posts with 
titles like "Innovate Don't Litigate" for a more in-depth look at why software 
patents are not good for anyone.

cdh
On Nov 17, 2009, at 9:30 PM, hank smith wrote:

> what is the cost to file another patent?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jake" <j.schm...@gmail.com>
> To: "MacVisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 6:16 PM
> Subject: Re: + Buy Apple computers and pay and pay and pay (fwd)
> 
> 
> Hi
> I really don't think Apple would be crazy enough to actually do
> something like this. Most large companies file a lot of patent
> applications, some are simply concepts that never get used or are
> concepts patented to prevent other companies from using them. Leaving
> aside what I think about patents, it's good strategy. Apple, despite
> sometimes being flaky on certain aspects of their business (app store
> approval process, ahem) they're not stupid and they know exactly what
> the public's reaction to this would be. I think this is more likely a
> strategic patent, something they got wind of another company doing and
> wanted to put a stop to.
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 17, 3:04 pm, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
>> I got this on another list. They cannot be serious? Can you imagine what
>> this would sound like, not to mention the gross intrusion on computing?
>> The list of possible places for these ads, is frightening.
>> 
>> Original 
>> URL:http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/16/intrusive_apple_ad_patent/
>> Apple seeks OS-jacking advert patent
>> 
>> It's an ad ad ad ad world
>> 
>> By Rik Myslewski in San Francisco
>> 
>> Posted in Operating Systems, 16th November 2009 20:27 GMT
>> 
>> Hitachi IT Operations Analyzer: 30-day free trial.
>> 
>> Apple has filed a patent application for an intrusive ad-presentation 
>> system
>> that requires users to acknowledge adverts before getting on with their 
>> work.
>> 
>> The recent patent filing
>> (http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=P...)
>> carries the unusually straightforward title "Advertisement in Operating
>> System." The described system would be buried deep in a device's OS - so 
>> deep
>> that, in the words of the filing, "the advertisement presentation can in 
>> effect
>> 'take over the system' in relevant aspects for a limited time."
>> 
>> The filing specifically describes the system as "disabling" normal 
>> operation of
>> a device while the ad is being presented. The ad - either "visual or 
>> audible" -
>> could be presented in a window on top of all other open windows, in a
>> background window, or even in an application window or "inserted in 
>> content
>> from an application program."
>> 
>> If we're deciphering Apple's patentese correctly, this mean that you could 
>> be
>> working in, say, Photoshop, and a new canvas could pop up containing a
>> mouth-watering illo of some tasty treat from Frito-Lay - and you couldn't 
>> get
>> back to work until you somehow acknowledged the ad by, for example, 
>> clicking as
>> directed.
>> 
>> Or, for that matter, since an ad could be "inserted in content from an
>> application program," you could be merrily coding along in BBEdit when a 
>> couple
>> of lines appeared in your code suggesting that you investigate 
>> Travelocity's
>> latest package deal - and you'd not be able to complete your job until 
>> you, as
>> suggested in the filing, performed one of many possible actions.
>> 
>> These actions might result in the system "causing presentation of a page 
>> from
>> an advertiser associated with the advertisement; recording a user rating 
>> of the
>> advertisement; again presenting the advertisement; sharing the 
>> advertisement
>> with another user; initiating a transaction for user purchase of a product 
>> that
>> eliminates the presentation of advertisements on the device," among other
>> possibilities.
>> 
>> As is usually the case in such filings, the range of possible devices is a 
>> long
>> one, "including without limitation, portable and desktop computers, 
>> servers,
>> electronics, media players, game devices, mobile phones, wireless devices,
>> email devices, personal digital assistants (PDAs), embedded devices,
>> televisions, set top boxes, etc."
>> 
>> The appearance of servers on that list is particularly troubling, seeing 
>> as how
>> their inclusion might imply a network-based version of ad delivery and 
>> enforced
>> response.
>> 
>> If you really want to get your conspiratorial juices flowing, remember 
>> that
>> Apple has filed a series of patents relating to location-based content. 
>> Using
>> its OS ad system in tandem with another resent filing
>> (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/10/itunes_on_location/), Apple could
>> interrupt your use of Poop the World
>> (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/poop-the-world/id310125724?mt=8) as you 
>> passed
>> your local purveyor of fine toiletries to let you know that you could pop 
>> in
>> and save big on three-ply tissue.
>> 
>> Although it boggles the mind that Apple would take such a draconian 
>> approach to
>> ad delivery, the authors of this particular patent filing are listed as 
>> "Jobs;
>> Steven; et al." Clearly, the man has ads on the brain.
>> 
>> Note also that Apple is said to be taking a deeper interest in ad-serving
>> technologies. For example, Bloomberg reported
>> (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=afcIzFP3iNrY) on
>> Saturday that the ever-talkative "people familiar with the matter" told it 
>> that
>> Apple had been in acquisition talks with AdMob, the mobile-advertising 
>> supplier
>> that Google bought
>> (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/09/google_to_buy_admob/) last week 
>> for
>> $750m.
>> 
>> Apple is not the only operating system vendor displaying an interest in
>> acquiring a piece of ad-revenue pie. Microsoft is also providing ad
>> opportunities 
>> (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/13/windows_7_advertisers/)
>> that are now available as downloadable desktop themes, but that may soon 
>> extend
>> to Windows 7 borders and sounds, gadgets, and IE 8 add-ons that would send
>> users to an advertiser's website. ®
>> 
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/14/apple_location_aware_patents/
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