I'm no lawyer but I have to wonder if Apple could simply move ownership
of certain bits of intellectual property to some overseas haven to avoid
complications where security and US sovereignty conflict. Much like some
cruise lines were notorious for registering their vessels in certain
locales that were "more friendly" to their corporate desires, maybe
Apple could move ownership of iOS to some Swiss subsidiary who calls the
shots from there. A sort of off-shore intellectual property haven. I
recall Microsoft doing something similar on an economic front where a
subsidiary in a tax-free haven officially owned a number of their
software assets and would sell licenses to the other parts of Microsoft
such that the other divisions showed no profit on their books. Only on
the tax-free haven's books would recognize the profit.
CB
On 2/23/16 11:45 AM, Tyler Thompson wrote:
Call me overly optimistic but considering that apple is one of the
richest companies in the world with a billion dollars in just cash
right now I don’t really believe their stance is on the money. I
honestly believe it’s about security. Someone had posited earlier that
agreeing to create this backdoor will somehow enhance their security.
I respectfully disagree.
Devices that are not up to date still have the old key hard-coded into
memory. This means that when a new version of iOS comes out (possibly
using a new key since the FBI ruined the old one) all devices that are
not up to date will immediately become not just vulnerable, but
extremely vulnerable. While iOS has an astonishing adoption rate
that’s still around 25% of iOS users who will have vulnerable devices.
My sincere hope is, as someone else had mentioned that Apple battle it
to the supreme court, and if they do lose I hope they pack up their HQ
and move it outside of the US. You’ve all probably seen the quote but
it’s worth repeating: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to
purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor
Safety.” - Benjamin Franklin
On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:49 AM, Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com
<mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
This FBI case is a enormous value for apple in $ if they win. They
can swim in dollars.
Take care
23. feb. 2016 kl. 08:22 skrev Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com
<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>:
Sorrylist but I think I missed something here,
So are you saying that the USA's FBI deleted the iCloud backup for
the terrorists?
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Yep, it later emerged that the FBI, through malice or incompetence,
reset the account password and thus prevented those all-important
(but incomplete) iCloud backups from occurring. (Notice that iCloud
backups are another way in, which is something many customers aren’t
aware of.)
And I don’t blame you one bit for distrusting the FBI. This is the
government that gave birth to “National Security Letters”. The fact
that these clowns are pushing for even more power, even though it
would be limited to after-the-fact exams, probably says that they
aren’t finished grasping, and not by a long shot. Certainly
off-worlders can forget any legal protections that you might get as a
result of all this, particularly while passing through your
delightful TSL checkpoints. I can just imagine it, being asked for
my phone so they can take an image for later cryptanalysis, because I
“Look foreign". Ugh.
But, alas, we’re still in the precarious situation that even if the
court’s decision is somehow overturned, we now know something rather
uncomfortable about iOS security. Apple just painted a great big
“Hack me!” sign on its gigantic half-eaten Apple logo. I side with
Apple insofar as I believe we’re entitled to security, but there’s
not a snowball’s chance in hell of being able to trust the technology
while it’s in such close proximity to the powers that be(TM), much
less all the h4x3rz who will be trying their damned best to obtain
the golden keys and make life miserable for the 99%. And don’t
forget that some of these actors will be well-funded, and under the
control of other, less well-adjusted governments. Ironic, given the
message Apple is sending about the importance of security. If they
know they’re a weak link, they’re not exactly eager to tell the world. :)
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