Slightly, yes, it does loosen a tad, but nothing really substantial.  And when 
it does, I just readjust.  No big deal.  Apple said with the type of band this 
is, and just the nature of it in general, it's normal for the milinese to do 
that.

It's probably not the nicest band that they offer, but hey, it works.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jenine Stanley 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 10:58 AM
  Subject: Re: Apple Watch: I love it, but I hate it.


  I think you made a good choice in getting the band initially that works best 
for you. The first time I changed bands, it was harder than I thought. 
Triggering the little indented area to release the band is harder than it 
initially seems but again, once you get the knack of it, changing bands becomes 
quite easy. Getting that knack can be maddening though. 


  Does your Loop band gradually loosen during the day? Mine tends to do this.

  Jenine Stanley
  dragonwalke...@gmail.com






    On Mar 28, 2016, at 10:16 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


    Mainly because I have mild cerebral pausy in both my hands, and so we had 
two issues.

    Firstly, I was concerned that it would be very difficult with my lack of 
good fine motor skills, and the slight trimmer in both my hands to get the band 
I wanted connected to the watch.

    Apple and I talked about the possibility of me getting the Sports model, 
but we both felt that given the above issue, it would probably be best for me 
to get the Milinese band, seeing that there is no buckle or snap, or anything 
of sort that I'd have to worry about.  Plus, there is no threading the band 
through another loophole, or anything of sort.  Just put it on my wrist, pull 
the little part of the band down to tighten it, and let go, and let it 
magnitize itself to the bottom of the band.  Boom, done.  I know I could have 
gotten the milinese band seperet for the sports, but then it goes back to issue 
1.  It wouldn't come with that band already on it, so to save me a little less 
trouble, I just went ahead and said give me the stainless steel with the 
milinese, and have the band already on it connected when I open the box.
    ---
    Christopher Gilland
    JAWS Certified, 2016.
    Training Instructor.

    clgillan...@gmail.com
    Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Sarai Bucciarelli
      To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
      Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 9:08 AM
      Subject: Re: Apple Watch: I love it, but I hate it.


      Good post! Now, why did you choose the SS version over the sport?

        On Mar 27, 2016, at 8:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


        Guys, let me intro this post by saying a few things, just to make sure 
none of us get off on the wrong foot.

        This post isn't going to be like a lot of things I've posted where I 
just flat out bash a product to shreds.  I do have a bad tendency to do that.  
Actually, if anything, I plan in this message to give both the good and the 
bad, and to fairly contrast.  My feelings actually of the watch are more good 
than they are bad, but I do have a few issues, and I'd like to see if any of 
you other watch owners feel the same way.

        So, a little background to start with.  One of my friends, Jessie 
Hernandez, called me up one day about half a year ago.  He had just gotten 
himself an Apple Watch, and wanted to tell me about it, and how floored he was 
at how well it worked.

        At first, I was really sceptical.  I mean, really! really! sceptical.  
I thought, OK, firstly, how in the world can you type on the thing being it's a 
small watch face screen?  Realize that this was before I understood that you 
kind a don't.  It's all done with Siri dictation.

        I also thought to myself, OK, so I can check the time, set timers and 
alarms, send and receive texts/e-mails, and make/receive phone calls.  Big 
whoo.  I can't browse the web, I can't this, I can't that.  I just didn't see 
how the watch really could be all that useful.  Why not just use my phone to do 
what I need?

        I decided I'd have an open mind, and would give it a fair chance 
though.  I therefore setup a time with Jessie to spend about an hour just going 
through the watch with me, and demonstrating for me over the phone how it 
worked.  I must say that by the end of the hour, I was absolutely blown away!  
True, there were things I wanted the watch to do, that it simply put, couldn't. 
 That said though, I was extremely impressed at how seemless the watch 
integraded with the phone, and how easy it was to do the things with it that it 
could! do.

        As the next few months went on, I debated back and forth if I really 
wanted to get a watch for myself.  I was really torn.  On the one hand, I loved 
what I'd seen, yet on the other hand, the new Apple TV 4 was coming out pretty 
soon, and the things I'd heard about it vs. the 3rd generation had me 
absolutely drewling!  So, yeah, I was pretty torn.  I couldn't afford both.  It 
either had to be one or the other.

        I won't bore you with more background.  I'll just get right to the 
point of the watch, but long story short, I wound up giving in, and I got the 
38M stainless steel Apple Watch with the Milinese loop band.

        Once I got the watch, the first thing I realized was though very small, 
I'll give you that, to my defense, the speaker on the IPhone 6S is about the 
same size, maybe a little bigger, but not by much than that of the watch.  That 
said though, on the watch when turned up all the way, it's ridiculously quiet!  
Don't get me wrong, if you're in a quiet area, and I do mean quiet, it is 
audible.  It's certainly doable, but I guess I just would have expected it to 
be ever so slightly louder.  When I listened to the demos that David Woodbridge 
did on Applevis, his watch sounded quite louder.  Now, in his defense, he was! 
using a 42M, not a 38, but even still.

        So, the first few days, I wore my watch literally constantly.  I 
wouldn't let the thing out of my sight.  I really really enjoyed keeping the 
phone on the desk, or in my pocket, yet being able to get push notifications on 
my wrist, etc.  I also really really! liked, and still do really like the 
cosmetic appearance of the watch along with the Milinese band.  It looks very 
businesslike, and very masculine.  It just looks very... well... me.  I even 
went out a few times for lunch with my grandmother and got compliments from 
people walking by, or would overhear people talking, like, wooo, look at that 
guy over there.  He's got an Apple Watch!  Dang does it look nice!

        So, you probably by now are wonderring why I say, I love my watch, but 
I hate it, as up to this point, everything I've said indicates I am in love 
with the thing.  For the most part, I am.  I guess I'm just a little 
disappointed though with a few things.

        For one, obviously the sound quality.  I was really really hoping that 
the volume would be a little bit louder.  Yes, I know about turning up the 
volume of voiceover.  Trust me.  I've already done that.  That did help some, 
yes, but not much.  Realize though that I do have a quite moderate hearing 
loss, so that could be playing a factor in this, to Apple's credit.  It might 
not be all them.

        After a while though, I confess, I've kind a quit wearing the watch so 
regularly.  Don't get me wrong here, guys.  I love the watch, but meh... I 
dunno.  After a while, it just kind a got to the point where it got kind of 
old.  I see the watch more now not so much as a killer product as I did at 
first, but more as a convenience.

        What I mean by that is this.  Really honestly, all the watch really 
truly seems to do is maybe give me access to a few things without grabbing my 
phone.  things like setting alarms, checking upcoming appointments, checking 
the time, setting timers, looking at the weather, etc.

        As for 3rd party apps, yeah, they're great, but realistically speaking, 
all they really do for the most part is one of two things.  Either 1, they do 
nothing really more than just push notifications to the watch.  OK, in some 
ways, this is kind a cool.  I'll grantcha that.  Admittedly, it is kind a nice 
to not have to grab my phone every time a notification comes through.  The 
thing though is, I get a push notification, I raise my wrist, I tap the screen 
of the watch to see what it is, and hear Voiceover tell me.  OK, let's say it's 
something important.  OK, so I then double tap the face of the watch.  This 
either pops me into the app on the watch, if I have it installed, or it just 
simply tells me it can help me on my phone.  If the app is! installed on my 
watch, then usually it's incredibly limited.  Anything that I try doing, it's 
gonna not carry out on the watch.  At some point, I'm gonna have to grab my 
phone to finnish the task.  Never mind, if I'm in a loud area, I can't really 
hear the watch anyway, which practically makes it useless.

        Here's another thing.  What about developers not taking full advantage 
of all the API's that are available.  Let me give you a very very simple 
example.  Let's take the app Just Press Record.  Nothing wrong with the app.  
In fact, this dev actually did things right in my opinion.  Clearly, they used 
all API's.  They have the ability to listen to your notes locally on the watch 
speaker.  You don't have to listen on your phone.  I mean, you can! don't get 
me wrong, but it's not required.  Also, when recording, it doesn't make you hit 
record on the watch, then hand it off to your phone.  I can't tell you how many 
apps I know of which would use your mike or would use audio do this.  More that 
use audio.

        Skype, for instance:  why on earth give me an app for the watch,  when 
all it does is let's me text chat?  And even worse.  I can't even access my 
contact list from the watch.  I first have to add my contacts from the phone 
into my favorites.  then, and only! then, can I access them on the watch, but 
yet still! only engage via text, not via voice.  I could see no video ability, 
I mean, that would be absurd, but at least! give us voice ability.  The API's 
are both there for sound through the watch speaker, and for using the watch's 
internal microphone, so, what gives?

        What about Zello?  This one's even more! a nightmare!  I can see my 
contact list, but if someone zellos me, all I get is a notification on the 
watch saying Jane Doe is talking.  Double tap that notification, and bam. Zello 
opens on my phone.  Say on the watch I double tap on Jane Doe to initiate a 
conversation.  Oh, I get the hold and talk button, yeah, but as soon as I 
double tap it and hold, I hear the chirp sound on my phone, not my watch, which 
never mind, is in my pocket, and never mind that it's now routing what I say 
through my phone's microphone, not the watch.

        Let's talk GPS.

        I love that maps works so seemlessly on the watch.  There's just one 
problem as a blind person.  The watch won't verbally give you turn by turn 
directions unless you physically tap on the screen.  Yeah, it'll vibrate to 
tell you you have an upcoming turn, and believe me, I love that!  But, then, I 
have to take my other hand, touch the watch, and see what it says.  This is 
horrible! As how am I effectively going to hold my cane, or my dog's harnis, 
while touching the face of my watch?  I didn't say it can't be done, but I 
probably look like a total dweebe doing it.  Hold on hare Fido, let mih check 
mih wristers. Hee'ee'eel, fido.  Goo'oo'ood doggy.  LOL!  You get the point.  
Never mind the treelemb I just smashed into because I was not using my cane 
while trying to look at the clock face.  You say, that's why you stop while you 
look.  Yeah yeah, I know. Don't rub it in. LOL!  My point still stands.

        I dono.  Clearly apps have ways to use the internal speaker, so why 
can't Apple make an option to either play voice guidance through the watch 
speaker, vibrate only, or do both.  I like choices, of which right now, choices 
we don't exactly have.

        So, yeah, in conclusion, I love my watch, but after having it now going 
on about 4 months, I dono.  I have mixed feelings.  I'm not disappointed I got 
the thing, and I have no plans to sell it, nor get rid of it, but admittedly, I 
am a little bit saddened that in some ways it's very limited.

        Now one thing I do! like, is using Hey Siri on the watch.  That is so 
convenient!  Like today, I was eating an Easter lunch with family.  I was 
putting the final touches on the deviled eggs, so obviously I had egg, and mayo 
all over my hands.  Obviously, you don't wanna be touching the watch with your 
hands in that condition.  So, while that was going, my mom put the apple pie, 
no pun intended, in the oven, and asked me to set the timer, being that the 
timer on our oven is broken for some weird reason.  So, no biggy.  I just 
raised my wrist, and set my timer with Hey Siri, no hand interaction at all.

        Or if I'm sitting across the room, and have my phone docked on my 
stereo, or am lying in bed.  I can stay chillin in my recliner/bed and just 
say, Hey Siri, play the Greatest Hits by Alan Jackson.  Boom!  Seconds later, 
there comes Chatahoochee out my speakers.  I can go to the next song, or 
previous song, stop and start playing, turn on and off repeat and shuffle, love 
a track/album, start a station, turn my crown to move the volume up or down, 
etc.  So from the standpoint of the music app, that is gorgeous with hey siri 
integration.

        So yeah, there're things I love, but there are just enough that I also 
hate.

        What are you all's thoughts?
        ---
        Christopher Gilland
        JAWS Certified, 2016.
        Training Instructor.

        clgillan...@gmail.com
        Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.


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