For your information, I have tried touch bars on computers. No, it wasn't a 
Mac, it was a Windows machine. It had standard function keys, but it also had a 
touch sensitive strip for things like controlling Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, volume, 
etc. It was an absolute pain in the ass, so I would appreciate all your 
snobbish remarks being left off the topic.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Jun 10, 2016, at 11:04 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> 
> Smart, like something you have no idea what you’re talking about or used.  
> That’s like saying you don’t like something with out trying it.  That’s a 
> little baby move.  Babies say I hate vegetables, have you tried vegetables, 
> no, what happens when you try them, they like them and they eat a salad a day 
> like me.:)  Point is don’t knock it until you try it.  You have the absolute 
> right to not like something but we have the right to call you out for not 
> even trying it.  As someone mentioned don’t even bother if you are going in 
> to it so negatively.
> 
> 
>> On 6/10/16, 10:44 PM, "Daniel Miller" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on 
>> behalf of miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Even if they do find a way to make it accessible, I'm still within my right 
>> to dislike it, which I will probably end up doing. Not to mention, if you 
>> follow any Apple new site, every single one is reporting not only that this 
>> new machine will supposedly have the touch bar, they will be replacing the 
>> USB ports with all USB type seaports, which is another annoying issue and in 
>> itself.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2016, at 10:42 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Remember that crazy idea about blind people having to try and use touch 
>>> screan devices such as phones or tablets, 
>>> 
>>> Who would have thought that would take off!
>>> 
>>> Lets not judge it until we see it, apple have been pretty good with 
>>> accessibility so far, they may have thought of something that as yet we 
>>> haven't and besides, it's still a few days away before its announced.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller
>>> Sent: Saturday, 11 June 2016 10:22 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: bar instead of function keys on new Mac Book Pros?
>>> 
>>> I’m sorry, but I don’t see this one a something I’ll change my tune about.
>>> If the rumors are indeed true, each key will have no tactile boundary for a 
>>> visually impaired person to be able to distinguish from, thus making the 
>>> touch bar a complete accessibility nightmare, unless they re-engineer OS X 
>>> or whatever they’re going to call it next, so that the bar has some type of 
>>> voiceover support built in.
>>>> On Jun 10, 2016, at 6:14 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Sight (or shall I say, touch) unseen? How many times have we thought the 
>>>> same of new innovative features that no one has even had hands on exposure 
>>>> to? Then sang a new tune once we had that hands on experience? Many many 
>>>> times.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>>> true?
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/10/2016 2:57 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>>>> I think the touch bar is stupid, enough said.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 10, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rumor has it that the soon forth coming Mac book pros will feature a 
>>>>>> touch bar instead of function keys on the keyboard.  This raises an 
>>>>>> interesting question.  Assuming that Voice Over is turned off on any one 
>>>>>> of the new Mac book Pros that a blind user goes up to, how is a blind 
>>>>>> person supposed to turn on Voice Over if there are no physical function 
>>>>>> keys but instead a touch bar?  I think maybe I can guess.  If a blind 
>>>>>> person needs to turn on Voice OVer, it should be possible by pressing 
>>>>>> VO+touch anyware on the bar and that should do it.  Or else, triple tap 
>>>>>> the bar to turn Voice OVer on.  I can almost imagine the e-mails now.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the 
>>>>>> blind built-in
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very happy Mac, 
>>>>>> Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!!!!!
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