Hahaha Arnold, good question.  Being it was less than 14 days  or in that range 
I bet it just gets a new set of packing material and is sold new.  I wouldn’t 
set it though, you’re making a great move and a good financial move as well, 
save that money and the headache of new and take your time and enjoy the 
process.

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:46 PM, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> 
> I looked and looked on that refurbished list for a Mac Mini before I bought 
> the new one, which I took back.  There never were any.  I wonder if the one I 
> took back will now appear on that list, now that I have ordered the used one? 
>  I don't think I will look, I don't need to know.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" <sc...@qualityip.net>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
> 
> 
> Hi andy, that’s a pretty good price.  I hope you enjoy it.
> 
> Just to add though, I don’t think it’s the new OS freaking people out, I 
> think it’s the people upgrading that provides a lot of the older supply.  I 
> sell my gear myself but a lot of people trade in for credit towards a new 
> model.  Apple especially has a lot of us trained to upgrade every year so 
> every year I go through new laptops and phones especially.  There’s a 2016 
> refresh going on now, the Airs were one of the first I believe to receive the 
> new chipsets and upgrades so likely a lot of the models available are last 
> years in exchange for this years latest and greatest.  Being a sharp shopper 
> I think you’re making a good move getting a lot for your money by buying the 
> previous version.
> 
> 
> I hope you have a good time with your training.
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Max and all.
>> 
>> Sorry for butting in with my pennies worth.
>> 
>> I purchased the 27 Retina desk-top about five weeks ago and in order to 
>> undergo training, I have decided to also buy a Macbook Air.  This means I 
>> can carry it easily to my training event and also take it out for a couple 
>> of beers and play with it.  However, I'm not buying a new machine.  I'm 
>> buying a refurnished model from the Apple Store in Glasgow.  I've already 
>> been told that they can give me a 13 inch, 2015 model for £625.00.  A brand 
>> new Macbook Air is £800.00.  When I asked as to why they would have so many 
>> almost new computers for sale, I was told that loads of buyers freek out at 
>> the new OS and return it within 14 days.  So for a saving of £175.00 I'd be 
>> getting an almost new computer.
>> 
>> I thought it was worth considering this option.
>> 
>> Very best wishes.
>> Andy.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 
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>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would 
>> be. Thanks, Max
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Max,
>>> 
>>> Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and 
>>> fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports.  So, I don't 
>>> believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar.  I'm 
>>> not an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just 
>>> seems to be the trend historically with Apple products. Who's to say that 
>>> someone may not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions that 
>>> will work with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible from your 
>>> iDevice.  Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what you're 
>>> hoping, although the Air would be less expensive.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. 
>>> So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch 
>>> ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would 
>>> probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this 
>>> means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i 
>>> know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that 
>>> option would be nice. thanks, max
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in 
>>>> DVD drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the 
>>>> Air, you need to look at what you want from your computer and how much 
>>>> you're willing to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better 
>>>> displays, usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more 
>>>> powerful work.  Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, 
>>>> and, why does a blind user require a better display?  the Air is a good 
>>>> machine, meant more for the everyday user.  It can still do most things 
>>>> that most people would be doing, and actually do it well if you don't take 
>>>> the least expensive model.  The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS 
>>>> is likely the way things are moving towards in the future, but it will be 
>>>> a while before they become one.  You can do most everything on an iOS 
>>>> device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option as well.  the 
>>>> keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where near what can 
>>>> be done on a laptop or Desktop unit.
>>>> 
>>>> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a 
>>>> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air 
>>>> will do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at 
>>>> least 8 GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor. This 
>>>> will make sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its 
>>>> usefulness.
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go 
>>>> all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying 
>>>> with a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking 
>>>> pro but without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I 
>>>> do; it would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external 
>>>> drive or portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max
>>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros.
>>>>> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't.
>>>>> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to 
>>>>> requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems
>>>>> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending 
>>>>> and receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still 
>>>>> think though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case 
>>>>> with keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard,
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He 
>>>>> was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the 
>>>>> blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you 
>>>>> need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could 
>>>>> only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad 
>>>>> pro? Thanks, Max
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