Thanks for the pointer, I will go ahead and do this. Love the Applevis resources.
Thank you > On Jul 10, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Matthew Dierckens <matt.dierck...@me.com> wrote: > > If you are interested in subscribing to the apple beta discussion group you > can subscribe to the following address. > apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com> > > We also have a roger group > https://rogertalk.com/group/u8TSs28IkMXj > <https://rogertalk.com/group/u8TSs28IkMXj> > Hope to see you there. > > God bless. > Matthew Dierckens > Certified Assistive Technology Specialist > Macintosh, IOS and Windows Trainer > JAWS for windows Certified - 2016 > Canadian Phone: 519-962-9140 > U.S. phone: 573-401-1018 > Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com > >> On Jul 10, 2016, at 17:18, Kevin Chao <kevincha...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> www.applevis.com <http://www.applevis.com/> has great forums discussing the >> public betas and VoiceOver. >> >> On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 10:09 AM Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net >> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: >> I disagree, being that our needs are so under represented sometimes do the >> small size of our community I think it’s important to discuss openly, >> especially as concerned directly to Voice Over. The call routing issue >> being at the top of the list for example since it directly impacts us all as >> iPhone users, unique to our needs and actively being addressed in the Beta. >> Public 4 for example of the current train breaking call routing after it was >> fixed in 3 and seeming better in the recent release of 5. ETc. Others have >> safari rendering concerns, performance, and so forth. Many on this list >> also participate. I think we have a unique group here with a lot of built >> in skills that benefit from open discussion again of public things. I’m on >> the same page with you on the developer releases and they should remain >> under wraps for many of the reasons you state as well as for Apple’s >> protection of their intellectual property. Once it’s n the wild and >> publicly available though I think we have more to gain than lose by it’s >> discussion. No matter my thoughts though, It’s Mark and Kara’s list so I >> will of course honor their wishes even though I strongly disagree with them. >> >> You also have raised good points, I don’t think they apply in this case but >> they were as always well stated. Just my $.02 >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:30 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote: >>> >> >>> Scott, >>> Not to play devil's advocate (why the devil..) but one very good reason >>> for this ruling is to reduce anxiety and endless questions about new >>> releases Discussing bugs in beta software on a mailing list like this one >>> is counter productive especially for those of us who are not participating >>> in a beta program. The ruling would also preclude some from stating >>> disclaimers that he/she will not openly discuss issues in beta software. >>> >>> If there is a mailing list for beta testers, that is where to take it. >>> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>> Are We Alone in the Universe? >>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >>> >>> On 7/10/2016 8:34 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >>>> Sorry, I’ll believe the lawyers from Morrison and Foerster before Mark >>>> and Kara.:) Public means public meaning no presumption of privacy. And >>>> I’ve read and had evaluated both agreements, the Developer version is >>>> far more restrictive and I was specifically advised against signing it >>>> so never participated in that program. I’m advised both on my own dime >>>> and through the legal department at my employer that the public beta is >>>> a different animal. But if the moderators wish to be their restrictive >>>> selves and stifle legal discussions that will benefit our community it’s >>>> their list. >>>> However, I have no such prohibition on my lists so anyone interested in >>>> an open discussion about beta software may migrate there with out fear >>>> of retribution for their comments. (public betas of software only >>>> please, the developer closed stuff needs to stay in approved forums and >>>> channels. >>>> >>>>> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:59 AM, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com >>>>> <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com> >>>>> <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Scott, even though it's a public beta, the NDA is still in effect. >>>>> Cara and Mark both say this. Mark or Cara, if you want to take it from >>>>> here, go ahead. >>>>> >>>>> Shawn >>>>> Sent From My White MacBook >>>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk >>>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs >>>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper >>>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com> >>>>> <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:09 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net >>>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net> >>>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Ray, public beta buddy, has nothing to do with non disclosure. >>>>>> >>>>>> Public being the key word here. >>>>>> >>>>>> Discuss away, it’s assumed you will. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net >>>>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net> >>>>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Simon, my good sir, please allow me to gently remind you that we are >>>>>>> strictly forbidden from discussing what we are finding out in the >>>>>>> beta testing of IOS10. This pertains both to developer beta as well >>>>>>> as the public beta. Bear in mind that the public beta is public >>>>>>> strictly in the sence that the public has access to it without >>>>>>> paying a developer fee: but, open discussion of findings is >>>>>>> strictly forbidden. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the >>>>>>> blind built-in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray >>>>>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV >>>>>>> user!!!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:06 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> >>>>>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi List folks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ok so today I thought I’d be crazier than usual and I updated to >>>>>>>> the IOS 10 beta release. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does anyone know of any yet written documentation on the new >>>>>>>> features in IOS 10, I’ve found a few but others are hiding from me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The first one that really got me was iMessage being turned off >>>>>>>> after updating. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But it definitely seems faster especially when setting up >>>>>>>> fingerprints in the touch sensor. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers for any information. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>>>>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>>>>>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on >>>>>>>> the list itself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner >>>>>>>> is Cara Quinn - 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