The NFB seems more concerned that Nemeth math not be superseded my UEB math, though at least two states are teaching UEB Math so much for a "common core",
On the other hand, I think I saw mention of a multiline braille display that uses liquid to create dots. I am curious how well that would work, and wonder if and how standard Screen Readers would handle the ability to have non-linear braille output. Best wishes, Jonathan Cohn > On Jul 27, 2016, at 2:45 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: > > Hi Jonathan, > > Wow! You've done some serious research. Thank you. > > About an hour or so, ago, I received a message from Freedom stating that they > are researching this issue and will have some information for me, shortly. > > Again, given that UEB has been in effect around the world for years, I find > it difficult to believe that this is still an issue. > > Something just doesn't make sense to me. > > Think about it, having a refreshable Braille device properly display type > form indicators, grade indicators, or even, capital passage indicators is > among the most basic elements of UEB. > > How can the NFB, AFB, or (insert name of Braille entity) not have addressed > this? > > I swear, I think I am in the middle of the Twilight Zone. I keep expecting > to wake up at any moment (smile). > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:44 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: To Unified English Braille Readers > > Well, liblouie 3.0..0 just came out with better support for UEB appearing to > be the main difference from the 2.6 releases that have been available for a > while. I understand that FS uses liblouie for its translation, so perhaps > this update is what was needed for attributes to appear on the Windows side. > > For Macintosh my sleuthing appears to indicate that they are using the Dux > service. > > In 10.11.5 there is the following file in the OS: > Duxbury: Mach-O universal binary with 2 architectures > /System/Library/ScreenReader/BrailleTables/Duxbury.brailletable/Contents/MacOS/Duxbury > (for architecture i386): Mach-O bundle i386 > /System/Library/ScreenReader/BrailleTables/Duxbury.brailletable/Contents/MacOS/Duxbury > (for architecture x86_64): Mach-O 64-bit bundle x86_64 > > I kinda wish I had found liblouie there, but in any case, we can look at the > capabilities of the underlying translator as the most we can expect out of a > specific screen reader. > > Best wishes, > > Jonathan > > > >> On Jul 26, 2016, at 7:54 AM, Scott Davert <scottslistm...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Sorry to say, but no displays and no screen readers are currently >> supporting the format indicators as far as I'm aware. Quite >> disappointing indeed! >> >> Scott >> >> On 7/25/16, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>> Hello Caitlyn, >>> >>> Yes, I have tried almost every configuration I can think of, >>> including enabling Status cells in the VoiceOver Utility. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Caitlyn Furness >>> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:16 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: To Unified English Braille Readers >>> >>> Do you have status cells turned on? I am thinking that you have to >>> set this up in the braille options of the vo utility on the mac. Not >>> sure about windows… >>> >>> Cait >>> >>>> On Jul 25, 2016, at 2:38 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> Quite Correct, E.T. >>>> >>>> So far, I cannot get type form indicators to appear on the display >>>> on either the Mac or via Jaws in Windows 10. The U, E, B, >>>> contractions and so forth appear correctly but I want to see the >>>> bold, italic, etc indicators, also. >>>> >>>> I'm going to put in a call to Freedom Scientific, tomorrow. >>>> Hopefully, they can clue me in on how to accomplish this. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T. >>>> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 7:51 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: To Unified English Braille Readers >>>> >>>> If a braille display is connected to the Mac to be used as a >>>> display, it will rely on the Mac for translation. In other words, it >>>> matters not how the Focus is set up. >>>> >>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>> Are We Alone in the Universe? >>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>> >>>> On 7/24/2016 7:49 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote: >>>>> Mark, >>>>> >>>>> Did you change a setting on the Focus or on the VoiceOVer braille >>>>> settings? >>>>> >>>>> I did find the binary that does braille translation for the >>>>> Macintosh appears to be based on Duxberry if that makes any >>>>> difference. 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