Jonathan: I will try that, but when this happened the 1st letter navigation is not working also, is it something makes you get the point?
On 9/7/16, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com> wrote: > Actually Simon, Command+X only works in documents. If you want to cut and > paste an actual file, you have to select it and then press Command+C. Then, > to actually cut the file, go to where you want to move it and then do a > Command+Option+V. If you do Command+X you'll get the bonk. > > Shawn > Sent From My White MacBook > Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk > Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs > Skype username: bbstheblindrapper > Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com > >> On Sep 7, 2016, at 9:13 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> To see what is selected you can use the key combination vo-F6. Try that >> the next time you run into this situation. Perhaps you disabled cursor >> tracking partially or completely. >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 10:05 AM Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com >> <mailto:philh...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> It sounds to me like you don't have anything selected or copied in order >> for copy and paste to actually work. You will probably find that those >> commands are grayed out in the menus and won't work because there's >> nothing copied or selected for the commands to work with. >> >> Sent from my IPhone >> >> >> > On Sep 7, 2016, at 9:04 AM, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com >> > <mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> > Hello my friends: >> > seems that you can not get my problem: >> > my command key is not working with some keys some times, like copy, >> > paste, move to trash, but in the same window, it can work with w to >> > close the window. so I think that the command itself is working ok, >> > but why is this? is there some situations that if I press something >> > before the command, it is not working? >> > and in the same window when I re open it again, the commands copy, >> > paste, and move to trash are working with the command key. >> > and the commands themselves are working through the edit menu, but I >> > neeed to achieve my thigs faster, so I need your explanation. >> > >> > I can't understand concerning the cut command, can't we make cut on >> > the root of the mac, or at any place? >> > the >> > >> >> On 9/7/16, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com >> >> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: >> >> Um, >> >> >> >> Shawn, >> >> >> >> Cut on a mac is just command Plus x and then >> >> Command Plus c to copy >> >> And >> >> Then command plus v is for pasting >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk >> >> Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2016 6:33 AM >> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> >> Subject: Re: My command Key sometimes does not work >> >> >> >> To cut is Command+Option+V. >> >> >> >> Shawn >> >> Sent From My White MacBook >> >> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk >> >> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs >> >> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper >> >> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com> >> >> >> >>> On Sep 6, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com >> >>> <mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> On 9/6/16, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com >> >>>> <mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>>> Thanks so much but the command key can work with command W to close >> >>>> and command q, etc, but can not work to copy or paste, is it >> >>>> something >> >>>> tha t I can not recognize? >> >>>> >> >>>> and I have another question:" >> >>>> I put some files on my Mac root, I need to cut them and move to my >> >>>> external HD, I can copy them, but can not cut them, or delete, is >> >>>> there a way to achieve this? >> >>>> Thanks >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> On 9/6/16, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net >> >>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: >> >>>>> It’s an inexpensive fix and usually comes with a little straw so >> >>>>> you >> >>>>> can >> >>>>> get >> >>>>> under the keys easily with out disassembling the keyboard. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Good luck. >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> On Sep 6, 2016, at 2:11 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com >> >>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Compressed air is a good idea and I should get some. It will come >> >>>>>> in >> >>>>>> handy. Thanks for the reminder. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >> >>>>>> Are We Alone in the Universe? >> >>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On 9/6/2016 11:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >> >>>>>>> I could make a joke about watching to much porn and sticky keys >> >>>>>>> but >> >>>>>>> with >> >>>>>>> the thin skinned nature of some on this list I’ll leave that one >> >>>>>>> alone. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> If it is shmutz (dirt or dust) under the key you should try some >> >>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>> that >> >>>>>>> compressed air in a can. It really does work well for cleaning >> >>>>>>> junk >> >>>>>>> out >> >>>>>>> of keyboards. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Sep 6, 2016, at 1:37 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com >> >>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Possible the key is getting tired. Or dirty under the key. Not >> >>>>>>>> sure >> >>>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>>> the Apple store can do this kind of maintenance. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> The same VO f2 f2 will bring up a menu and you can choose which >> >>>>>>>> window >> >>>>>>>> you want to bring to the front. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Let me clarify the VO commands as they are useful. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Open Application Chooser with VO-F1-F1. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Open Window Chooser with VO-F2-F2. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> There may be other methods but I haven't yet settled on how I >> >>>>>>>> want >> >>>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>> handle multiple Finder windows. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >> >>>>>>>> Are We Alone in the Universe? >> >>>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2016 10:19 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> Hello, >> >>>>>>>>> the left command do this issue, will see next time if the 2 >> >>>>>>>>> commands >> >>>>>>>>> miss behave or not. >> >>>>>>>>> Concerning the Keyboard, yes this is an apple keyboard with mac >> >>>>>>>>> mini. >> >>>>>>>>> THanks for the VOf2 f2. >> >>>>>>>>> but if I need to open more than 1 window, while am on the >> >>>>>>>>> finder, I >> >>>>>>>>> can press command n to open new window, but I can't find my old >> >>>>>>>>> window, why is this? >> >>>>>>>>> Thanks >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/16, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com >> >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> Do both command keys misbehave? What keyboard, the built in >> >>>>>>>>>> Mac >> >>>>>>>>>> keyboard? >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> For the "Finder has no window", I do the VO f2 f2 to get the >> >>>>>>>>>> focus >> >>>>>>>>>> back on Finder. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >> >>>>>>>>>> Are We Alone in the Universe? >> >>>>>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2016 10:04 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> Hello all: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes, my command key stop working, I can not perform >> >>>>>>>>>>> command >> >>>>>>>>>>> C, >> >>>>>>>>>>> command V etc, don't know why, the only way is to make a >> >>>>>>>>>>> restart, >> >>>>>>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>>>>> fix this. >> >>>>>>>>>>> also, the finder sometimes has no windows, I must go to dock >> >>>>>>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>>>>>> go >> >>>>>>>>>>> back to finder to find my files etc. >> >>>>>>>>>>> is there a fix for these 2 issues? >> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/6/16, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net >> >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure about Springfield, I’m more of a Remington auto >> >>>>>>>>>>>> loader >> >>>>>>>>>>>> or >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sig >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Saur >> >>>>>>>>>>>> fan myself. Sig Saur makes the best version of the M16 in >> >>>>>>>>>>>> my >> >>>>>>>>>>>> opinion >> >>>>>>>>>>>> and >> >>>>>>>>>>>> has the highest rated 223 and 308 hunting rifles right now >> >>>>>>>>>>>> and >> >>>>>>>>>>>> has >> >>>>>>>>>>>> some >> >>>>>>>>>>>> fantastic AR models. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Henry Repeating is another good one. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 5, 2016, at 10:21 AM, CHUCK REICHEL >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ha! >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> a Springfield lover! :) >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> very dependable tool I must say!. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Long "bow" was preferred here for rabbits though! >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> A bit of a sporting chance Aah ? >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Talk soon >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 5, 2016, at 5:50 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That bunny doesn’t keep going if you shoot the little >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bugger >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3008, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The little bugger just exploes >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mary >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Otten >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, 5 September 2016 2:50 PM >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jack >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhone seven >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be interested in the review. Of course, being slow >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt a >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> new >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> headset when my old one actually still work, I just >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> purchased >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the legend, which I do like. But it does have the lag. On >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> other >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it lasted forever on the road trip, and with a little box >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> put >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in, it recharges and you just keep going and going like >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> energizer >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bunny. Anyway, no lag is a good thing. So I for one am >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> interested >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> review. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mary >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Scott Granados >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sc...@qualityip.net <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it’s the Legend replacement and I added one to the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> collection >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> today. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was going to post a review if there was any interest. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did this 5220 replace your legend? >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mary >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sc...@qualityip.net <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can confirm with the iPhone 6s+ running IOS beta 10 the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lag >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> almost >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> non existent when paired with the new Plantronics 5220. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it’s the phone or the headset taking the difference but >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> combination >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is pretty snappy. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jmo...@mosen.org <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mary, it's an attempt to solve the problem in that the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Griffin >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> device >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> has a 3.5mm jack. But you then pair the device to your >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhone >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> using >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bluetooth 4.1. So depending on the Bluetooth stack in the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhone >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7, we >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> could hit the latency issues that we all know about with >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BT >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the Bluetooth stack is significantly improved, it could >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> work-around of sorts, although of course you've then got >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> position where you have to remember to keep your 3.5 jack >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> charged, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardly represents progress. For people who keep VO talking >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> long >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> periods, time between charges may not be that long. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jonathan Mosen >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mosen Consulting >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> <http://mosen.org/ >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://mosen.org/>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/09/2016, at 6:15 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That wouldn't seem to address this problem at all. It >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> requires >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> headphone jack. Maybe it's a nice device, but not for this >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mary >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Ray Foret jr >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rforet7...@comcast.net <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ah yes, you are talking about the Griffin addapter which >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> turn >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> any >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.5MM headphone in to a blue tooth set. They will sell it >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 19.99 I >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://griffintechnology.com/us/itrip-clip-bluetooth-headphone-adapter>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This may not solve all of what some believe may be a >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> least someone is trying. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessibility >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> built-in >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> TV >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> user!!!!! >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Terje Strømberg >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <terjestrmb...@gmail.com <mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A few weeks back, i red about a chineeze company or maybe >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> japaneese >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> who >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> had a dummy adapter for later manufacture. This was an >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> adapter >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> both >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightning port and 3.5mm jack. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take care >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. sep. 2016 kl. 10.28 skrev Jonathan Mosen >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jmo...@mosen.org <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>>>: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> removal >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> has a >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> day >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> did >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> here >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> New >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> justifiably >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most people >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> want >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefits >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> most >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> people of upgrading will be so incremental that the lack of >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> headphone >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> affected >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> me, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> because one thing that this process has taught me since I >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> started >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> raise >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alarm >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> naive >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> respectful >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> impaired. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to think that since we know what impact >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> inaccessibility >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to the needs >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> even >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when the issues didn't affect us directly. But that has >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> proven >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pipe dream on my part, and I've found the whole thing >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> really >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> upsetting. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the most part, it seems like it's everyone for >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> days, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if others are being thrown under the bus, well too >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> damn >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bad. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hearing >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> aid >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jack >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> almost >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> viable >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> were >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> profound >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> way >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's difficult to get through an entire business day of >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> without >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to charge something. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears I >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> senseless, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish, stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> done. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> company, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which parades their accessibility efforts like some sort >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> badge >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> honour, appears to be about to crap all over one segment >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> its >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessibility market. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're going too far this time, alienating too many >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> people. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> receive >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> carefully >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> its >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> even >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> offer >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> its >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> headphones >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> having an adapter jutting out of the port you want to >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with. Absolutely absurd. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ads >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mocking >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> know >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> were >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> more >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> viable for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> expires, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> really going to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sense >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> by >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> because there is certainly going to be a backlash. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jonathan Mosen >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mosen Consulting >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> <http://mosen.org/ >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://mosen.org/>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Mary, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> market, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> plays an >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alternatives >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> companies pay attention. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> politically >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ridiculous decision to unilaterally put albums in its >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> users' >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accounts, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not so certain that just because it decides something >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> better >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> make it so. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> would >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> world >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hasn't changed one bit either with or without it. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> quick >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> follow Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> executives >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> leads, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> follows." >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortunately >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> latest >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> device >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just because it is the latest. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:from%3amacvisionar...@googlegroups.com> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>] On Behalf Of >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mary >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Otten >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:to%3amacvisionar...@googlegroups.com> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jack >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhone seven >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mark, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> back >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> storage >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> battery. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the other rumor is true, Apple will be including >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> compatible >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> earbuds >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> people to >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> use other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> days, I >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhones >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> forever. Other device makers are already moving in this >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't just Apple. In fact, they will not be the first ones >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> market >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> without a headphone jack on the phone. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> market >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accepts >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> removing >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> auxiliary >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> memory >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> market, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> companies >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> who >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> kept >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> those features. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> iOS >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices to have their photo content immediately available >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PC >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> users >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> upon attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> went >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> crazy >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> vowed to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> people >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> iTunes in order to manage photos. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> restoring >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the subsequent release of iTunes. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hit, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> something >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tells me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile). >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:from%3amacvisionar...@googlegroups.com> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>] On Behalf Of >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gallik >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:43 AM >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jack >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhone seven >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> When all the “hubbub” concerning Apple removing the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> earphone >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jack >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> first >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appeared I was certain they (Apple) was going to provide >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> an >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> adapter so >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> potential customers would be able to use their existing >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> earphones >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the iPhone 7. 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