Excuse me, Cheree.  that was profoundly disrespectful, not to mention downright 
insulting to us devs, me being one of them.  Let me tell you something.  We 
devs did! try getting on Apple about stuff like this.  I did so in iOS 9, and I 
even more so did in this iOS 10 update beta cycle.  Trust me.  I was on the 10 
beta from June 30th, when it was announced at WWDC until now.  I've ever since 
had at least one of my devices on 10.

I've reported bug after bug after bug to them.  I've worked countless hours to 
the sweat of my brow! trying to explain these things to them, but no sollution 
was ever made.  So don't be putting the blame on us devs, OK?  We've done our 
damdest! to make this new version of OSX, TVOS, Watch OS, and iOS as  wonderful 
as possible.  The thing is, once we make the bug reports through the 
bugreporter bug tracker, we really don't then have much of a say past that 
point.  If Apple fixes it, great, if not, well, we've done our parts by 
reporting it.

Now, if us devs just saw the bug and ignored it, then therefore it was released 
buggy, then, I'd totally give this message to you, but, hunttauhh.  I'm not 
lettin' you have this.  I'm sorry.  Us devs deserve more credit, and respect!  
We really, really really did try!

Can another person on this list who's a dev and paid the 99 for the iOS 10 
cycle please speak up and advocate for us all here as well?  This is just wrong!
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Cheree Heppe 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:08 PM
  Subject: Re: IOS10 Mail app changes


  You developers and designers, changers and alter era can flick yourselves 
into you-know-where regarding this change to mail on iOS.



  Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:27, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:


    Correct, the way messages are handled has changed. Visually, it now looks 
much more like mail on the mac. It also works more like macmail.


    When in the main message list, individual messages are still handled the 
same as in iOS 9. Threads are different. If one double-taps on a thread to 
activate it, one goes into a browse thread view. In this view, single-finger 
vertical flick moves up and down through the messages. Single-finger 
horrizontal flicks read through the specific message. Double-tap on the delete 
button at the bottom of the screen deletes all messages in the thread. 
Three-finger horrizontal flick moves between threads, threads and individual 
messages which do not belong to threads, and individual messages. In other 
words, the same as single-finger horrizontal flick in the message list screen.


    If one wishes to delete only some messages from a thread, the thread must 
be expanded. Whilst in the main message screen, single-finger vertical flick to 
expand thread and double-tap. Now, the thread is unpacked and all the messages 
in the thread are treated like non-thread messages. Now that I have become used 
to this new system, I really like it. It took me a few hours of frustration to 
become used to this new system.


    I am hoping that, as Apple continues merging the behaviours of apps for iOS 
and Mac, that we will see a full Mac-based iPad. I love touch-screen and want 
my touch-screen Mac, or the equivalent.

    David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
    Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
    Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
    Sent from my iPhone

    On 16/09/2016, at 10:09, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:


      message threading seems to have changed substantially in IOS10. I can no 
longer 3 finger flick from message to message in a thread, instead I have to 
use the “pre and next” message buttons. Also, the list of messages in a thread 
no longer appears, but instead I am thrown into the first message in the thread 
and then have to navigate between messages using the next and pre message 
buttons. What a screw up this is! is 3 finger flicking from message to message 
gone in ios10?
      Also how about the thread message list? is that gone too? or are there 
some settings that need tweaking?


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