You are quite right and I agree with you everything you've said. ----- Original Message ----- From: "erik burggraaf" <e...@erik-burggraaf.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 5:11 PM Subject: Re: questions about NVDA
Speaking as an access technology trainer I have to say, I wish more people would adopt nvda. The average age of my clients is about 65 years old. I'm not training most people for job readiness, although I can and I have done. The fact of the matter is, an 80 year old person does not need a $1200 piece of software to read and write email, use skype, browse webpages, and type a letter or shopping list in word. Our government is providing this stuff at a premium to people who don't use a fifth of the power the program has to offer. I feel the same about window eyes, although I prefer it over jaws. I just don't see the justification for spending top dollar on people who don't need powerfull software for school or work when solutions like nvda and even system access allow users to access the basics of a pc for a fraction of the cost. Best, erik burggraaf A+ certified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 2009-12-10, at 9:29 AM, James & Nash wrote: > Hi Chris, > You wrote: > NVDA is a usable program that, unfortunately, doesn't support very many > applications yet. If you can program in Python, you can help the team > move > it forward. As a full time solution, though, it isn't ready for prime > time > yet. > > I have to disagree with you. I think NVDA is an extremely viable solution, > but of course it depends what you want to do with your PC,, but then that > can be said about all Assistive Technologies on all platforms. I know of > some Windows users in France who cannot afford JFW and the other > commercial > applications and use it full time. NVDA has a huge advantage out of the > box - although E-Speak is not the best voice in the world, it offers > around > 45 foreign languages so that users can get to work right away. > > But of course there has been criticism from commercial venders and those > trainers who should really be impartial - at least in my view. They > believe > that because NVDA is free and open source then it must automatically be a > non starter. > > TC > James > > TC > James > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Hofstader" <c...@hofstader.com> > To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:42 PM > Subject: Re: questions about NVDA > > > NVDA is a usable program that, unfortunately, doesn't support very many > applications yet. If you can program in Python, you can help the team > move > it forward. As a full time solution, though, it isn't ready for prime > time > yet. > > I know both Mick and Jamie, the top of the NVDA team, and they work really > hard but I don't think that either Mozilla or Microsoft is giving them any > more money so their progress will likely slow now. > > SATOGO, a no cost solution for Windows boxes attached to the Internet and > System Access, it's commercial big brother which is less expensive than > all > other credible Windows screen readers, are good free (as in free lunch) > and > low cost solutions that work in most programs that most people want/need. > > I think SA (both versions) has a magnification portion. I don't think > I've > ever heard of anyone actually using it so, as I can't see well enough to > use > it, I cannot say much about it. > > Someone told me that the magnifier built into Windows 7 is actually quite > good and, as it is entirely API driven, it is unlikely to introduce as > many > stability problems as MAGic or ZoomText. It has a limited feature set but > it may be good enough for your purposes and as it is included with the OS, > the price is right. > > cdh > > > > On Dec 9, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Joe Plummer wrote: > >> Hi, might want to use satogo on the Windows side also. As far as a >> magnifying solution you might want to try magic from Freedom Scientific >> you >> can use it and use it in conjunction with Jaws. Both of these can be ran >> in >> a Demo mode that will let you use it for ever in a 40 minute mode. Just >> some >> thoughts. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mann >> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:23 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: questions about NVDA >> >> NVDA is basically a free screen reader for the Windows platform. It >> works >> with programs such as Internet Explorer, Microsoft Word, Microsoft Excel >> and >> somewhat with Outlook. In case you don't know, Microsoft Excel is an >> application for doing spreadsheets and Outlook is the email program that >> comes with Microsoft Office. >> >> On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:53 PM, Christina wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I saw a discussion earlier and the subject line was something like >>> back on a mac. Well someone mentioned NVDA on windows seven. I have >>> not installed windows on my macbook. However I've considered it >>> simply because I'd like to try using zoomtext to try to look at photos >>> as I do not feel the built in zoom for the mac is good for that. I >>> have lost so much vision lately so I'm not sure if even zoom text >>> would help but I am thinking of trying. I understand that zoomtext >>> will not work in the virtual enviornment and therefore I would have to >>> use boot camp. >>> >>> So onto my questions. What is NVDA? I do not have a windows screen >>> reader like jaws or window eyes so I'm curious as to what this is and >>> how robust this is. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Christina >>> >>> -- >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> Ryan Mann >> rmann0...@gmail.com >> Get to the root of the problem with the US economy at >> http://www.dailypaul.com. >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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