I know laptop sales aren't exactly knocking it out of the park, but aren't a tablet sales also rather down? Maybe these convertibles are the answer. I don't know. Mary
Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 29, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi there, so I think the idea that laptops will be replaced with tablets > isn’t so wild to be fair. The number of tablets sold has been replacing > laptop sales for a while now. I think most sited users really just want > something that’s always on and looks a lot like their phones but easier to > use in front of the TV. On another list there was some really interesting > stuff posted about the second screen movement and second screen work with the > W3C working group. I have a feeling we’re seeing the end of laptops and > there will come a time that they are gone especially as tablets get more > horse power and an optional keyboard will probably solve the interface issues > associated with typing long documents on tablets. > > As for surface verses Apple, Apple all the way. I was on a flight not that > long ago and all the laptops were apple. I was very surprised. Everybody > working on the flight had an apple in front of them. Wasn’t tat long time > ago that there was a whole mix of windows devices but it’s interesting how > Apple is gaining market share. > >> On Oct 29, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Brandt Steenkamp <brandt.steenk...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Maybe macOS looks and feels more like iOS now than it did in the past, but >> it is still distinctly macOS. >> >> The touch bar supporting your argument? Not likely. That is like saying >> having a glass track pad supports the argument that the laptop is going to >> be replaced by a tablet, an absurd thought. >> >> Function keys gone being a bad thing? Answer me this, when was the last time >> you used function keys besides for Voiceover and the terminal? And, no, >> changing the volume does not count. If you have any site, you can very >> easily change the volume in the top right of your screen by dragging the >> slider. Not very hard using Voiceover either. The last time I remember using >> the function keys was to turn voiceover on on a Mac I had to use at a >> friend's. >> >> Warm regards, >> >> Brandt Steenkamp >> >> Sent from my Macbook Pro >> >> Contact: >> >> Phone: >> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 >> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 >> >> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com >> >> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp >> >>> On 29 Oct 2016, at 7:29 PM, Randy Stegall <kc4...@me.com> wrote: >>> >>> Apple engineers are definitely not stupid. Question, why are apple >>> computers steadily moving toward an iOS look and feel? The Touch bar is >>> possibly evidence for my argument. We no longer have to press function keys. >>> >>> Randy >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone 6 S Plus >>> >>>> On Oct 29, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Brandt Steenkamp >>>> <brandt.steenk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Okay, that is pushing things a bit far. >>>> >>>> Firstly, sited people still need and want physical keyboards. Why do you >>>> reckon they sell Bluetooth keyboards for the iPad? Thus, removing the >>>> keyboard from a laptop would be a monumentally stupid thing to do. One >>>> thing we all can agree on, the apple engineering team definitely cannot >>>> be classified as stupid. >>>> >>>> Using a touchscreen for their laptop displays, would also not be the >>>> greatest idea in the world. Look at the Microsoft surface book, what a >>>> dumbass idea. Apple will never go that route. A laptop that cannot be >>>> safely used when on your lap? Seriously? >>>> >>>> If I am wrong, I would be very surprised. >>>> >>>> Warm regards, >>>> >>>> Brandt Steenkamp >>>> >>>> Sent from my Macbook Pro >>>> >>>> Contact: >>>> >>>> Phone: >>>> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 >>>> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 >>>> >>>> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com >>>> >>>> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp >>>> >>>>> On 29 Oct 2016, at 3:48 PM, Randy Stegall <kc4...@me.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I wouldn’t be at all surprised that the touchpad will take the place of >>>>> the keyboard and there will be a software keyboard such as that on iOS >>>>> devices. Thus the iOSification will be complete. >>>>> >>>>> Randy >>>>>> On Oct 29, 2016, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris, >>>>>> >>>>>> The power button on the new touch bar is also a touch sensor such as on >>>>>> the iPhone now, >>>>>> >>>>>> So it will read your finger print as well as turn your machine on. >>>>>> >>>>>> Plus the new machines have a larger touch pad, will be interesting to >>>>>> see how that goes for us. >>>>>> >>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark >>>>>> Gilland >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 5:18 PM >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice >>>>>> over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126 >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages >>>>>> blocked, so I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so >>>>>> forgive me. >>>>>> --- >>>>>> Christopher Gilland >>>>>> JAWS Certified, 2016. >>>>>> Training Instructor. >>>>>> >>>>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com >>>>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Ray Foret jr >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice >>>>>> over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126 >>>>>> >>>>>> I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press. From the >>>>>> look of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually went >>>>>> for was pressing the command key plus the tripple press of touch ID. IN >>>>>> other words, you press and hold down the command key and while doing so, >>>>>> you tripple press the touch ID. >>>>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the >>>>>> blind built-in >>>>>> >>>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, >>>>>> >>>>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless >>>>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner. See the >>>>>> comments from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago. >>>>>> >>>>>> This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in such a >>>>>> quick turn around on this question. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126 >>>>>> Date: October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT >>>>>> To: scott.grana...@gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom and >>>>>> Switch Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver gestures >>>>>> users already know and love from iOS to navigate and control the >>>>>> information on display in the Touch Bar. To turn VoiceOver on or off, >>>>>> hold the Command key and triple-press the Touch ID button. >>>>>> >>>>>> Apple Accessibility >>>>>> >>>>>> For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit: >>>>>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ >>>>>> https://support.apple.com/accessibility >>>>>> >>>>>> On October 28, 2016 at 03:55:04 AM GMT, scott.grana...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, now that Apple is using the light bar how does a blind user activate >>>>>> voice over independently with out an F5 key. Is there a replacement for >>>>>> command F5? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> Scott >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> P.S. Thank you all for your hard work. I use Macs every day in my >>>>>> professional life and your accessibility tools make that possible. 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