The surface pro is the fancy version of the surface or surface pro. The surface book is the same size as the iPad Pro 12 inch
It’s an executive type device and has unlike the surface pro got a hard backed keyboard The surface pro and surface have a soft keyboard The surface book is very firm and stable when you have it sitting on your knee and typing From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandt Steenkamp Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2016 10:30 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126 The surface and surface book are two completely different devices. I have never dealt with the surface myself. Is like calling a Mac an iPad. Not the same thing. Warm regards, Brandt Steenkamp Sent from my Macbook Pro Contact: Phone: Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181<tel://+27605259181> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013<calto://+27781205013> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com<mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp<http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp> On 29 Oct 2016, at 11:23 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com<mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote: Fair enough said. I admittedly haven't seen the new Surface models, so, you very likely are probably correct on this matter. --- Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. i...@gillandmarketing.com<mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com> Phone: (704) 256-8010. ----- Original Message ----- From: Brandt Steenkamp<mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.%20com> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 5:13 PM Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126 Hi there, The surface book, is supposed to be a laptop. The problem with it, is when you hold it on your lap, [LAPTOP] if you are not very careful, it will fall backwards. The screen is too heavy for the device. Thus, a good laptop, the surface book does not make. That is why I believe Apple will not go that route. I pray that I'm correct on this. Warm regards, Brandt Steenkamp Sent from my Macbook Pro Contact: Phone: Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181<tel://+27605259181> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013<calto://+27781205013> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com<mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp<http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp> On 29 Oct 2016, at 10:09 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com<mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote: Brant, I actually really like the idea of the Surface tablets. Honestly, the last I tried, touch support with JFW and with NVDA wasn't the greatest on my Surface 3, but keep in mind, that's an older model. I don't think the Surfaces were really meant for full fledged laptop use. I mean, OK, I... suppose... you could do it, but, why? They're more meant as a mobile tablet, and, look at the 4 Pro's and what not. They actually do! come with a full keyboard if you twist the screen around the oppisit way. Now that, I could! see Apple doing. Making a macbook with a keyboard that you could twist the display around and collapse into a tablet. Now that! would be freaking awesome! But yeah, I echo everything else you said. Otherwise, that would be monumentally dumb! I don't know I'd go so far as stupid, that's kind a strong, but I'd definitely! agree it wouldn't be the smartest idea. --- Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. i...@gillandmarketing.com<mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com> Phone: (704) 256-8010. ----- Original Message ----- From: Brandt Steenkamp<mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.%20com> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 11:02 AM Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126 Okay, that is pushing things a bit far. Firstly, sited people still need and want physical keyboards. Why do you reckon they sell Bluetooth keyboards for the iPad? Thus, removing the keyboard from a laptop would be a monumentally stupid thing to do. One thing we all can agree on, the apple engineering team definitely cannot be classified as stupid. Using a touchscreen for their laptop displays, would also not be the greatest idea in the world. Look at the Microsoft surface book, what a dumbass idea. Apple will never go that route. A laptop that cannot be safely used when on your lap? Seriously? If I am wrong, I would be very surprised. Warm regards, Brandt Steenkamp Sent from my Macbook Pro Contact: Phone: Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181<tel://+27605259181> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013<calto://+27781205013> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com<mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp<http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp> On 29 Oct 2016, at 3:48 PM, Randy Stegall <kc4...@me.com<mailto:kc4...@me.com>> wrote: I wouldn’t be at all surprised that the touchpad will take the place of the keyboard and there will be a software keyboard such as that on iOS devices. Thus the iOSification will be complete. Randy On Oct 29, 2016, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: Chris, The power button on the new touch bar is also a touch sensor such as on the iPhone now, So it will read your finger print as well as turn your machine on. Plus the new machines have a larger touch pad, will be interesting to see how that goes for us. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 5:18 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126 What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages blocked, so I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so forgive me. --- Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. i...@gillandmarketing.com<mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com> Phone: (704) 256-8010. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Foret jr<mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126 I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press. From the look of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually went for was pressing the command key plus the tripple press of touch ID. IN other words, you press and hold down the command key and while doing so, you tripple press the touch ID. Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user! On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote: And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner. See the comments from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago. This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in such a quick turn around on this question. Begin forwarded message: From: Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>> Subject: Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126 Date: October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT To: scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com> Hello, Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom and Switch Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver gestures users already know and love from iOS to navigate and control the information on display in the Touch Bar. To turn VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command key and triple-press the Touch ID button. 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