Wow, the NFB wrote something positive about built in screen readers?  Did 
someone see 4 horsemen around here somewhere?

> On Dec 16, 2016, at 7:58 AM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, Android development is interesting.
> 
> Someone in the US NFB posted a blog post comparing TalkBack and VoiceOver. 
> The author loves the fact that Android is very configurable. The author also 
> comments a fair amount about many more unlabeled buttons.
> 
> The author admits that it takes a few attempts each time to activate the 
> angle gestures, which call up the global and local menus. So, the author 
> usually does not use the global and local menus. Well, not using these menus 
> is similar to not using the rotor in VoiceOver. It would make things more 
> difficult, unless one merely uses basic iOS functionality.
> 
> Given that I use my iPhone to run my business, I would not be able to do so 
> with an Android device (I have two of them). I need the advanced 
> functionality.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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>> On 17/12/2016, at 00:48, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I think we should with hold that opinion until the next round of phones, the 
>> 10th anniversary version is supposed to be a radical change.
>> 
>> Then again though, why change something that works?  Performance 
>> improvements and such are great but really the platform is pretty good.  I 
>> hear people make these claims but my point is who’s doing better?  
>> Definitely not Microsoft, windows 10 sucks, Google is doing interesting 
>> things but behind the curve, Linux is also interesting but pretty 
>> specialized for we engineering and systems folks.  Who has a better option 
>> right now?  For all the griping we have on list try using an Android device 
>> and get back to me.:). People are catching up to Apple so I hope there is a 
>> jump ahead but they still aren’t there.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 3:34 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I believe development is continuing in both OSX and IOS 
>>> 
>>> The rumour a couple of years ago was that apple were working to combine 
>>> both OS so that they have one operating system on all devices.
>>> 
>>> Hints of this are able to be seen in the two operating systems now,
>>> 
>>> Calendar, contacts, reminders, etc,
>>> They used to be called things like address book, iCal  iChat etc.
>>> 
>>> iCloud drive between devices and multiple platforms, 
>>> 
>>> keep an eye out things wil be changing but I do have to admit I believe 
>>> apple have somewhat stopped moving forward with enovated designing 
>>> and this I believe is simply Steve Jobbs was the enovator and currently no 
>>> one else in apple is showing the ability to think outside the box.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
>>> Sent: Friday, 16 December 2016 1:38 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Is development for OS Over?
>>> 
>>> There will be a new line of iMacs coming out sometime next year.  They 
>>> delayed them, cause they need to find a way to put the touch bar on the 
>>> keyboard that ships with it.  Personally, nothing exciting has changed 
>>> since mavericks, but they foot print is getting smaller, just glad updates 
>>> are free, based on the lack of changes we have seen.  From what the reviews 
>>> and reports say about the 2016 MacBook Pro, they probably should have 
>>> waited on those too.
>>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Just a question for you all.
>>>> 
>>>> Please note I don't test beta's as I don't have time but have been 
>>>> wondering is development over for the Mac OS?  For the last six years 
>>>> since I've used the Mac, only small things have changed.  I as you most 
>>>> know, use a Mac and Mac Mini as I don't have any need for a portable 
>>>> machine.  Apple bring out new lap tops but they don't bring out a new desk 
>>>> top so am wondering if Apple are finished with the computer side of their 
>>>> OS.  They have also got rid of their mac safe wire and their airport 
>>>> extremes.  I am very sad that Apple should want to do this.  In fact 
>>>> access technology has been standing still since the talking I phone came 
>>>> out.  I wonder where access technology is going.  I want something new to 
>>>> excite me as I use to get excited over new technology but these days it's 
>>>> the same old, same old.  I don't think an new I phone will grip a blind 
>>>> person any more so I'm wondering what is next to make us so crazy.
>>>> 
>>>> Kawal.
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