I have not sat in anything that old. I have sat in an F4 phantom in a museum, and in a B52 bomber as well as a B2 out at the air force base. I also had a chance to ride along in an F18 before while I was doing some contracting. On the rotary side I’ve flown in a CH53 and a Vietnam era UH1n and in private aviation a Robinson J60 pretty frequently.
Good times. > On Dec 26, 2016, at 5:03 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Scott, correct WWII, only one single go, but then again, have you ever > tried ti sit in the cockpit of a Messersmith? they say it is tighter > than, no, wait, nothing , but a labrador can’t make a paw turn, or so > the story goes. > But i have to be honest, i am not going to jump from an airplane, if i > can at all cost avoid it, I’m a chicken like that :( > > On 12/25/16, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I know the older world war II models didn’t but you may be right it may have >> been the 80s. I didn’t start jumping until 1990 so don’t know to much about >> what it was like before. >> >> Got to have that reserve with you, it’s like fail over for your network but >> um somewhat more critical if in free fall. >> >> That’s one thing that’s nice, we tend to get smarter and safer on the >> technology front as time passes. >> >> And ah smoking, I haven’t had any smoke now for over 4 months. Tobacco was >> never my thing but other items here and there, even though my state >> legalized it over the election. I’ve been leaving the life of the straight >> and narrow lately which helps on the old job front. >> >> Might have to end the year with a hand rolled special though. >> >>> On Dec 24, 2016, at 11:41 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I think they have had, extra ones since, the 80s. But i can be wrong. >>> I deftly know that one of my ACS in the sim, the Texan only have one >>> shoot, and that is from the 40s, not sure? >>> >>> On 12/24/16, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>> I honestly don't know why he didn't have a reserve. Were those common in >>>> those days? I'm speaking of the days before mandatory seat belts and >>>> airbags, and in the days when smoking on flights was common up and down >>>> the aisle--though this is a good decade after the famous Surgeon >>>> General's report against smoking. >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm glad to hear the contingency is now commonly covered. That's a good >>>> thing, much as I hate seat belts! <grin> >>>> >>>> >>>> Janina >>>> >>>> Scott Granados writes: >>>>> Why didn’t he have a reserve? >>>>> >>>>> You have to have a reserve in case that happens. >>>>> >>>>> I know jumping in the 70S and earlier wasn’t as easy as it is now. The >>>>> chutes were round then and you couldn’t steer them very easily. I have >>>>> a >>>>> friend who jumped with a round chute up in Massachusetts and ended up >>>>> in >>>>> Connecticut over 30 miles away because of the wind currents and >>>>> inability >>>>> to steer. The jump instructor made sure every one had enough change >>>>> for >>>>> the pay phone before they jumped for this very reason. I think they >>>>> still >>>>> had reserves though back then. Even today you have a device that’s set >>>>> with barometric pressure that will deploy your chute if you black out >>>>> or >>>>> don’t pull automatically. >>>>> >>>>> As in all things though, there is risk. I definitely tend towards the >>>>> risky. >>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 23, 2016, at 7:36 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries >>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I know many many have done this successfully. However, I'm always >>>>>> saddened when the topic comes up. >>>>>> >>>>>> Back in the early 1970's I had a friend whose chute didn't open on his >>>>>> very first jump. His girlfriend was on the ground filming. He did his >>>>>> best and managed to end up in a tree, but it wasn't enough. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Janina >>>>>> >>>>>> Scott Granados writes: >>>>>>> Actually, Kawal, you’l get a fair bit of training. The idea is not >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> go upside down.:). You’ll sort of roll out of the plain feet first. >>>>>>> YOu’re going to put your feet together and sort of curve them a >>>>>>> little >>>>>>> at the knees so your legs and feet make a slant which is more >>>>>>> aerodynamic. You’ll then put your hands up with your upper arms out >>>>>>> 90 >>>>>>> degrees each like a wing and then you’ll bend at the elbows 90 >>>>>>> degrees >>>>>>> again so your hands are flat and on either side of the top of your >>>>>>> head. Think of your hands being the fins on a rocket in other words >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> means of steering. You’ll twist your upper body and hands / >>>>>>> shoulders >>>>>>> to turn right and left. The ride is very smooth if you hold your >>>>>>> form >>>>>>> correctly. They will take you through this but this is something to >>>>>>> expect. >>>>>>> Next thing to expect is when the chute opens it’s very sudden. >>>>>>> For >>>>>>> we >>>>>>> males it’s important to insure that your gentlemen’s sausage and >>>>>>> family >>>>>>> jewels are properly oriented so they don’t get pushed back in to your >>>>>>> chest from the harness when it opens. I will say I learned this the >>>>>>> um >>>>>>> hard way. For women well I’m assuming this will be a simpler process >>>>>>> just make sure the harness is comfortable and we’ll leave it there. >>>>>>> When things open up you’re going to go from 120 MPH down to a nice >>>>>>> rental float in a matter of a few feet so it’s a bit like hitting a >>>>>>> wall. >>>>>>> Once you’re open you’ll have ropes above you that you’ll hold >>>>>>> on to. >>>>>>> Pulling these opens the chute and lets out air so you’re able to >>>>>>> steer. >>>>>>> The new square parachutes are very very maneuverable. >>>>>>> Landing is gentle for the most part assuming it’s a nice calm >>>>>>> day. >>>>>>> You’ll sort of step out of it and come to a stop. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Go for it, it’s an amazing experience. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 22, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for letting me know Simon. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will certainly let you all know. Perhaps I'll treat it as a >>>>>>>> roller >>>>>>>> Coaster ride as you go upside down in those. If the parachute >>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>> open then I'll be dead as simple as that and the other person with >>>>>>>> it! >>>>>>>>> On 22 Dec 2016, at 05:02, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kawal, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've not sky dived myself but I hear it's amazing, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And besides it's pretty safe when you jump from the plane, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> However that sudden stop at the bottom if the shoot doesn't open >>>>>>>>> might be a heart stopper. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good luck can't wait to hear how it goes for you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal >>>>>>>>> Gucukoglu >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 21 December 2016 11:56 AM >>>>>>>>> To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Anyone successfully triple booting? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Talking about flying, I'm doing a sky dive next year to raise money >>>>>>>>> for charity. I am very determined to do it even though I've not >>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>> goods with heights, but this year I went to Iceland to trek and >>>>>>>>> went >>>>>>>>> up mountains so I'm sure now I will have no problems sky diving. >>>>>>>>>> On 20 Dec 2016, at 15:27, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, Sandi: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, that was me in Copenhagen. That was many years ago, I think >>>>>>>>>> perhaps >>>>>>>>>> 2003 or 2004? Your memory is impressive! <grin> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I was Hans Rasmussen's guest at the Danish Institute. He arranged >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> session on Linux for interested folks on more than one occasion, >>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> recall. iI know I was in Copenhagen, staying at the Institute, at >>>>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>>> 3 or 4 times. I guess you were there for one of those sessions? >>>>>>>>>> Small >>>>>>>>>> world! <grin> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You ask what I play. The answer is keyboards these days. My >>>>>>>>>> training, >>>>>>>>>> and my college degree, was in music. I trained to be a concert >>>>>>>>>> pianist--Beethoven, Mozart, and all those guys. Nowadays my music >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> focussed around being a church musician. I'm Music Director for a >>>>>>>>>> small church in College Park, Maryland, near where I live. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The time of my turn at the controls of a Cesna must have in in >>>>>>>>>> 1969 >>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>> 1970. Our Music Department Chairman sat me down and read me a >>>>>>>>>> letter >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> from a camps some 200 plus miles away from where we were. They >>>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> looking for someone to perform a concert for them. They were only >>>>>>>>>> paying transportation, and I was trying to figure out how to say >>>>>>>>>> "No" >>>>>>>>>> to my department Chairman until he looked up at me and said: >>>>>>>>>> "Let's >>>>>>>>>> fly." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I knew he was a pilot. I immediately said "Yes." I think they were >>>>>>>>>> surprised by the transportation bill, but they paid it. I still >>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> residual vision in those days, so I was able to monitor the >>>>>>>>>> instrumentation fairly well. I had a blast. I got a memory I still >>>>>>>>>> cherish. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> PS: I haven't spoken with Hans in years--since he retired. I >>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> try and contact him and Mitsie to say hi. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Janina >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sandi Jazmin Kruse writes: >>>>>>>>>>> Janina, If i am not mistaken, and i could be, a girl with the >>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> name as you was in denmark. some years back, talking and >>>>>>>>>>> demonstrating linux. >>>>>>>>>>> So, well, when i came home i was like, , “ i gotta be her” having >>>>>>>>>>> dreams is perfectly okay, but why do we have to stop after the >>>>>>>>>>> dreams >>>>>>>>>>> over, that is when you realize what can be worked out into Rl, >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> what can’t. >>>>>>>>>>> my Sister just corrected me , family Cessna is a 182-t. We have a >>>>>>>>>>> flying club a couple miles away from where i live, so now the >>>>>>>>>>> guys >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> are wild up for recking a computer up to the MFDS. I will of >>>>>>>>>>> course >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> still need a sighted pilot, but i promise y’all this, that will >>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> the smallest of my problems. >>>>>>>>>>> Janina, you talking about playing, since we already sidetracking, >>>>>>>>>>> er >>>>>>>>>>> i meant , sideslipping, what do you play? got a couple of >>>>>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Keytars here , the Vortex, the Linstrument, and a Seaboard. >>>>>>>>>>> I knew hitting the local apple store was a bad idea, iPad and a >>>>>>>>>>> keyboard, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/16, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> You've got me jealous again, Scott! <grin> I never got beyond >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> controls of a Cesna 180. Though I suppose I can take some solace >>>>>>>>>>>> that it cost me only a couple hours work playing a concert in a >>>>>>>>>>>> small Minnesota town. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This was years ago when I was still in college. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to have to try and follow in Sandi's footsteps, I >>>>>>>>>>>> think. >>>>>>>>>>>> Fantasy is important, after all! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Janina >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Scott Granados writes: >>>>>>>>>>>>> And here I used real aircraft instead of simulators. I had no >>>>>>>>>>>>> idea >>>>>>>>>>>>> there were accessible simulators other than the full sized 747 >>>>>>>>>>>>> simulator I spent some time in in the Boston area. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have flown (with a sited pilot of course) a Citation X, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> older >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gulf-stream and a bunch of small Cessna planes like the 172. >>>>>>>>>>>>> And >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> here I could have saved $3000 per hour in fuel not to mention >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>> figures for the flight sharing plan with a simulator.:) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 19, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sandi1...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Joshua >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have used flightier on mac , for about 10 year, before i got >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> job that required me to change to FSX, i have tried its your >>>>>>>>>>>>>> plane, it is fairly cute, if you unlike me , like to sit and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to your plane, in my world it have nothing to do with flying, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> imagine this, you fly in your j3, you can hear every little >>>>>>>>>>>>>> beat >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the engine. and what is even better, you control every >>>>>>>>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing you have to do , yes it is hard, but if it was easy, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone would do it, right? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Janina, damn you, now you have me once again, wanting, needing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> android thing, so i can try it out. Whimper, new mac book pro, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>>>>> key tar, new iPad, and now also a new android thing , is it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> really that amazing that a girl lives in a geek world 24.7? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if y’all ask me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bookshare with Espeak? i dare you reading Calendar girl with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> one, xd hides in dark long hair. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I only have the danish version, so i can’t do that, at least >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is going to be my story anyways. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best Sandi. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/16, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, your correction is accepted, Scott. I'm aware of NAT, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact have unroutable addresses asigned for my Fusion machines >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I use internally when communicating only on the Airbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> itself. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I particularly dislike NAT, and don't care to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Locally, I'm now fully IPv6, and plan to keep it that way. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes, I do need my Fusion vm routable from the outside >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frequently enough. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Setting up NAT just to avoid the extra address is, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> admittedly, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way around my predicament. But, I'd frankly rather not. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is that there are wifi interruptions enough, where >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> communication >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hangs. To add yet another layer to that isn't anything I want >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to fuss with. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On my Lisbon trip I stayed with tethering via my T-Mobile >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for just that reason. And, indeed, there were wifi outages >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the day that others were frustrated by. I just smiled and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kept >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What I saw in Sapporo in 2015, where NTT set a mesh with a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WAP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about every 30-40 feet or so, with native IPv6 was another >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter. There was a deployment I used all week without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues--but that's the exception in my experience. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Janina >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott Granados writes: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Janina, not arguing your points at all but I wanted to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one correction. You most certainly can consolidate your IP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usage. If you spin up a VM and change the network adapter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bridged to NAT you can have the Mac receive one IP only and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have it provide an internal network for your other virtual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines thus removing the need for several IP addresses. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aware of the problems with NAT, as I’m sure you are in great >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> detail as well but I have found this to be a viable solution >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially when on WiFi networks that require advanced >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> authentication or wired networks with 802.1x enabled. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> advantage is if you have a VPN running on the Mac side you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have access to all the various connected resources on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtual network with out having to establish an independent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VPN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> session per VM thus removing the limitations of VPN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> environments >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with login limits and other network access control >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limitations. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As a mother related note, you can also create internal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> networks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no access at all. These are good for building virtual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> network topologies. I have 12 different virtual routers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spin up that each simulate a Juniper MX router. I bind >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with shared networks between their adapters which then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> represent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them selves as point to point ethernet links with in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> routers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves. So, for example, I can bind ge-0/0/0 on router >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ge-0/0/0 on router 2 using a shared /31 address just like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would with real cables and routers. I can then enable my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protocols, set up my peering, enable MPLS, build VRFs and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the associated things you would in real hardware but with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the expense of building a home lab and buying all the real >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gear. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, this allows me to easily carry from place to place >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simulated networks to demonstrate features to customers or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> team >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members. It’s also a great place to test configuration >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John mentioned that the disk layout is quite good and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consistent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the Mac and also the startup disk location can be set >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboot so that would ease the concerns I raised. I guess >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just a VM man because I like the access to everything at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and don’t mind working with in a hypervisor. Different work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flows for different folks, that’s how the song goes right? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You make very good points. I would think what you want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could be easily done and you could just select the disk you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before you shut down or on the way up using a pre memorized >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of keys. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 19, 2016, at 9:19 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MacVisionaries >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Scott: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I always appreciate your viewpoint, so am responding at a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little length. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I find Fusion quite acceptable for the use case where I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> access to all the OS installed on my system. One example of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when this happens is when I want to view a web page via >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multiple browsers. There are other examples, but the point >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is that there's a counter example. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The counter example is when I'm at a conference, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> participating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the give and take of a meeting around a coference >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table--something I do a fair bit of. In this case I can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give partial attention to the laptop, though I do need to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> track >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minute taking via IRC, and such. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this situation I need no muss no fuss access to rock solid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connectivity. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For me this means the command line tools, and that means >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No one else comes close on the cli, though I haven't tried >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new Windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu import yet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's an additional reason why the counter example should >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a single OS boot, namely that I don't want to hog multiple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> addresses. If I use Fusion, I find I get one IP assigned to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac OS, and a second IP assigned to the Fusion VM. There's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way around this as the Mac is essentially hosting the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> device >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and bridging the Fusion VM. This introduces latency and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes me a less than good citizen on the wifi mesh. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, my analysis says either I find a way to triple boot my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Airbook, or I don't travel with it. And, in my mind, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point of a laptop is to be able to travel. So, either I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> figure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out a triple boot that works; or I dual boot OSX and Linux, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaving Windows to a Fusion VM--which is a possibility; or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sell the Airbook for what I can get and get something else >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use on the road. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In point of fact I have not traveled with my Airbook on my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business trips. Instead, I took along an almost 9 year old >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thinkpad running Arch linux with both Speakup and Orca. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, it was quite adequate for my purposes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, it's decision time because these two end of year weeks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kind of free time for me. It's a good time to do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installations >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and configurations of stuff for the coming year. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Janina >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott Granados writes: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi there, personally I would advise against this and I’m >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> willing to hear opposing viewpoints on this but here’s my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take. Using vision you have a totally accessible path to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OS. Using bootcamp the selection of the OS you wish to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not accessible to my understanding of things. If >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you’re >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a hurry this could be an issue. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m sure like anything it’s just a matter of memorizing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> key >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presses but for me fusion does so well I wouldn’t bother >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the potential headaches. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just my $.02 realize that doesn’t answer your larger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how to. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:27 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, All: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm mulling a rebuild of the various OS on my 2013 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vintage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Airbook. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have VMware, and I've used it more or less successfully. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are times on the road where I don't need to switch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> among the various installed OS. These are times were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direct >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> access into one OS will be sufficient. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, it's clear that Bootcamp is there to dual boot OSX >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what about a third booting option? Say I want a third >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say Arch Linux. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I find a howto on the net for setting this up: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, before I dive in to try and get it going, I wanted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask for the experience and wisdom of any here who may >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> successfully created a triple boot configuration. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance for any guidance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Janina >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sip:jan...@asterisk.rednote.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: jan...@rednote.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux Foundation Fellow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Initiative >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (WAI) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, Accessible Platform >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac Visionaries list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this list, or if you feel that a member's post is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reach mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac Visionaries list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this list, or if you feel that a member's post is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reach mark >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> owner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sip:jan...@asterisk.rednote.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: jan...@rednote.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux Foundation Fellow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Initiative >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (WAI) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, Accessible Platform >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac Visionaries list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please contact the owners or moderators directly rather >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posting on the list itself. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reach mark >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> owner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac Visionaries list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posting on the list itself. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reach mark >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> owner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sip:jan...@asterisk.rednote.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: jan...@rednote.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux Foundation Fellow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Initiative >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (WAI) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, Accessible Platform >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posting on the list itself. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reach mark >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cara >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+Quinn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> please >>>>>>>>>>>>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the list itself. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reach >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mark >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>>>>>>>>>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, >>>>>>>>>>>>> please >>>>>>>>>>>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting >>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>> the list itself. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can >>>>>>>>>>>>> reach >>>>>>>>>>>>> mark >>>>>>>>>>>>> at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner >>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Google >>>>>>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>> it, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 >>>>>>>>>>>> sip:jan...@asterisk.rednote.net >>>>>>>>>>>> Email: jan...@rednote.net >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Linux Foundation Fellow >>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility >>>>>>>>>>>> Initiative >>>>>>>>>>>> (WAI) >>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, Accessible Platform >>>>>>>>>>>> Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the >>>>>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>>>>>>>>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, >>>>>>>>>>>> please >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on >>>>>>>>>>>> the list itself. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can >>>>>>>>>>>> reach >>>>>>>>>>>> mark at: >>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara >>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+Quinn - you >>>>>>>>>>>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Google >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>> it, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>>>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>>>>>>>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, >>>>>>>>>>> please >>>>>>>>>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on >>>>>>>>>>> the list itself. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can >>>>>>>>>>> reach >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your >>>>>>>>>>> owner >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google >>>>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>>> send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 >>>>>>>>>> sip:jan...@asterisk.rednote.net >>>>>>>>>> Email: jan...@rednote.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Linux Foundation Fellow >>>>>>>>>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative >>>>>>>>>> (WAI) >>>>>>>>>> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures >>>>>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/wai/apa >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>>>>>>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>>>>>>>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> list itself. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach >>>>>>>>>> mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>>>>>>> list, >>>>>>>>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>>>>>>>> contact >>>>>>>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>>>>>>>> itself. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach >>>>>>>>> mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>>>>>>> list, >>>>>>>>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>>>>>>>> contact >>>>>>>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>>>>>>>> itself. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach >>>>>>>>> mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>>>>>> list, >>>>>>>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >>>>>>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>>>>>>> itself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach >>>>>>>> mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send >>>>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >>>>>>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >>>>>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>>>>>> itself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach >>>>>>> mark >>>>>>> at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara >>>>>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send >>>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 >>>>>> sip:jan...@asterisk.rednote.net >>>>>> Email: jan...@rednote.net >>>>>> >>>>>> Linux Foundation Fellow >>>>>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org >>>>>> >>>>>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative >>>>>> (WAI) >>>>>> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >>>>>> or >>>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach >>>>>> mark >>>>>> at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara >>>>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>>> >>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >>>>> or >>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>> >>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark >>>>> at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara >>>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>> >>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 >>>> sip:jan...@asterisk.rednote.net >>>> Email: jan...@rednote.net >>>> >>>> Linux Foundation Fellow >>>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org >>>> >>>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) >>>> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if >>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>>> or >>>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark >>>> at: >>>> macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - >>>> you >>>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>> >>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark >>> at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara >>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you >> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you > can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
