Bob,

You are absolutely correct in your observation.  The sorting setting only works 
when the second method of viewing threaded messages, not described in this 
conversation, is used.  

I was told by Apple engineers, when I first brought this to their attention a 
couple of months ago, that this is not, in fact, a bug but, rather, done on 
purpose so that both iOS and Mac OS mail would be, effectively the same.

Mark

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Robert Hill
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 1:56 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mail Threading is working again and I love my Earpods.

Hi all, 

I have one problem with reading threaded messages this way. 

It seems that no matter which way I have the settings for displaying newest 
message on top, I always have the newest one on top. It seems like this setting 
doesn't take for me. 

Bob Hill 


Sent from Bob's iPhone  7 

> On Apr 3, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Lovely Mark.
> 
> I will do as you describe as I was doing the other method which I do not 
> like, for my I phone.
> 
> Thank you again.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 3 Apr 2017, at 08:15, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Jessica,
>> 
>> There are two ways to conveniently read messages, in threaded view, in the 
>> latest version of iOS.
>> 
>> I will briefly describe only one of them in this post.
>> 
>> 1.
>> In Settings, Select Mail.
>> 
>> 2.
>> Set Preview to OFF.
>> 
>> 3.
>> Set "Organize by Thread" to ON.
>> 
>> 4.
>> Set Most Recent Message on Top, to OFF.
>> 
>> 5.
>> Set the Complete Thread option to OFF.
>> 
>> 6.
>> Close the Mail Settings screen.
>> 
>> 7.
>> Open the mail app and place focus on a topic that contains two or more 
>> messages in a thread.  Do not single-finger, double-tap on the thread as 
>> this will actually open the thread which, in the method I am describing, is 
>> not necessary.
>> 
>> 8.
>> The VoiceOver rotor should already be set to Actions but just in case it is 
>> not, set it to Actions.
>> 
>> 9.
>> Use a single-finger swipe up or down gesture until you land on the option to 
>> Expand the thread.  Select this option.
>> 
>> 10.
>> Now, single-finger swipe from left-to-right in order to move VoiceOver focus 
>> down to each individual message in the thread.  As VoiceOver lands on each 
>> message, the contents of each message will automatically be read to you.
>> 
>> Good Luck,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jessica Moss
>> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 6:13 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mail Threading is working again and I love my Earpods.
>> 
>> Ok, I thought you were talking about the IOS mail app, my mistake.  I can do 
>> fine with the mac mail client, but IOS is a pain in the neck to navigate, 
>> unless someone knows a trick to it I don’t yet.
>>> On Apr 2, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Make sure you are not in the classic view.
>>> 
>>> Then if you have more than two messages in a conversation, right arrow and 
>>> the thread will be expanded.  Voice over will read automatically if you 
>>> highlight each message but you must not open it.
>>> 
>>> This will not work if you only have one message so you need to press enter 
>>> on that message to read it as at times `i have found that voice over will 
>>> not always read the entire message.
>>>> On 2 Apr 2017, at 00:25, Jessica Moss <junglebookfa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> How exactly do you navigate mail threading?  I can manage to find the 
>>>> first 2 messages after I press the next message button, but forget it 
>>>> after that if there are more than 2 messages in a thread; it only shows 
>>>> the first 2 messages, and that’s usually it.
>>>>> On Apr 1, 2017, at 5:37 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mail Threading is working again and I love my Ear Pods.  I got them today.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kawal.
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