Wow I knew I liked you. A John Cage reference, now I’m impressed!
Discrete Music anyone? I did an audio art piece in college reproducing the pendulum music if you’re familiar with how that worked. Cognitive dissidence is an art form.;) > On Apr 21, 2017, at 11:08 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Hi, Scott, All: > > As Scott says, it's got to sound good on cheap stuff or it ain't a > finished product. I, too, have yet to work in a studio where the mix > isn't tried out on cheap hardware before we call it a wrap. > > As for compression, I expect that's more a culturally induced artifact > of contemporary life. We live in a much noisier world than people of 150 > years ago and more. Nothing in the daily life of Mozart or Beethoven was > as randomly intrusive as emergency vehicle sirens, auto horns, let alone > traffic itself, and let alone blaring radios and televisions > everywhere--on the street on billboards, if you're in Japan. > > In today's environment you need to cacoon yourself to have a prayer of > hearing the dynamics of a Beethoven symphony. Best evidence of this is > how you need to boost the softer portions of the Symphony while > listening in a car. > > Compression solves that problem for all but the most blaring > interruptions. > > I believe what I'm describing actually served, I think it was John Cage, > who defined contemporary music as that music which could not be > interrupted, by which he meant that whatever happened in the environment > would not seem an intrusion while you were listening. > > Best, > > Janina > > Scott Granados writes: >> You know I don’t even think the consumer issue is as deep as you say. I >> don’t think most people care not because of anything other than most are >> totally unaware of what’s going on around them and sort of fall to the >> lowest common denominator. For example, I used to work as a recording >> engineer in a previous career. The studio I primarily worked in had a very >> nice monitoring environment with very high end speakers and signal path etc. >> However, when we did our final mixes we not only used the high end in room >> monitors but we’d bring in and attach these real cheesy Radio Shack Minimus >> 7 garbage speakers that were something like $100 per pair. We’d get the mix >> to sound good on these because 99% of the consuming public had crap quality >> playback equipment like the cheese ball book shelf systems etc. Another >> thing we did was use a low power stereo FM transmitter and sit in a car >> listening to the recording on the in car audio and then call in to the >> control room to have a guy left behind make the changes. This way we mixed >> to where most people listen to music, in their cars commuting. The point is >> I don’t think the majority of people care about sound quality. Your example >> of MP3 is a great one. I understand the need for heavy compression and data >> games at first when memory was a premium but now that storage is approaching >> 0 in cost that compression should in my opinion go away. With the storage >> and bandwidth available ubiquitously now there’s no reason for lossy >> compression. But I’m in the minority because I care about my sound quality. >> Most do not. >> >> >>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 5:50 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> well, given there is no more uniformity in appreciating sound then there >>> is a uniform sighted verses blind people concept at all, I would say >>> certainly some do. >>> What tends to happen with consumers in general is that they think it is >>> supposed to be that bad because they hear it everywhere. MP3 content can >>> be the same, with a desire for better sound feeding the return of lp >>> records. >>> Companies and individuals who take their communication seriously either use >>> different services, instant teleconference for example, or run the sound >>> through a proper filter. >>> Not everyone calls in on the same sort of device, and I have yet to be at a >>> zoom event where the presenter tried taking questions, or doing more than >>> the captive audience thing. >>> Still this has nothing to do with the nonexistent two sides of a coin >>> concept of sight or its absence. >>> Kare >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 20 Apr 2017, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >>> >>>> Lots of these webinar things have bad sound quality-and the more you have >>>> on the lines, etc, the worse it seems to be!! Wonder if sighted people >>>> think the quality is as bad as most of us probably do?! >>>> >>>> Cait >>>> >>>>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 12:25 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I will add that zoom allows you to give participant's a call in number >>>>> instead, a fine option for those ho prefer attending without video at all. >>>>> Granted as is often the case when the audio is video based, the quality >>>>> is sort of nose crinkle worthy, but at least the door for phone alone is >>>>> there. >>>>> Karen >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 20 Apr 2017, Kliphton Miller wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I HAVE BEEN USING ZOOM FOR ABOUT A YEAR, IT IS MOSTLY ACCESSIBLE, JUST >>>>>> THAT SOME OPTIONS THAT ARE available to the sited user, vo doesn’t read >>>>>> during a conference, but it’s not a deal breaker. >>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 6:06 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> I saw on Twitter yesterday that a new web conferencing service was >>>>>>> discovered recently: www.zoom.us <http://www.zoom.us/>. The big news >>>>>>> here is that they have an accessibility website >>>>>>> (https://zoom.us/accessibility <https://zoom.us/accessibility>), an >>>>>>> email address (acc...@zoom.us <mailto:acc...@zoom.us>), and a >>>>>>> commitment to keeping their product accessible. They claim >>>>>>> compatibility with VoiceOver, Talkback, and NVDA, covering all the >>>>>>> major platforms. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I haven't tried the service at all, and am going off only what I read >>>>>>> on their website and in the article that pointed me to them in the >>>>>>> first place. However, things look good. If you're in need of this kine >>>>>>> of service and you try Zoom, I'd love to hear what you thought of the >>>>>>> experience. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I haven't been following the Citrix thread, so I apologize if this was >>>>>>> already brought up over there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Alex Hall >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >>>>>>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >>>>>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>>>>>> itself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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