Get both google and Apple, best of both worlds,? On 4/23/17, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote: > That was what i was about to write a couple mails ago, many of those digital > assistants have no or limited functionality outside the US. I’m not certain > that even Google or Siri for that matter works at their fullest here in > Sweden and then let’s not even begin to talk Samsungs new Bixby. I wonder > when or rather if it will ever reach these cold is it latitudes?:-) > /Krister > >> 23 apr. 2017 kl. 14:18 skrev David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com>: >> >> Step outside the US, and Alexa falls apart. Unlike Siri and Google, Alexa >> does not support anything outside it's limited geographical area. This is >> why it is able to be so much better there, it is limited in scope. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >> Mobile: +61 488 988 936 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 23/04/2017, at 20:50, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com> wrote: >>> >>> Yes. Just search for Reverb for Amazon Alexa. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Apr 23, 2017, at 5:44 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> So Sean, >>>> >>>> This amazon alexa is available through an app for my iPhone? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk >>>> Sent: Sunday, 23 April 2017 9:47 PM >>>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> Subject: Re: And here's an example of why Apple is losing the digital >>>> assistant game >>>> >>>> Hi Scott. I'm not Yuma but I can tell you who I think is the better AI. >>>> After watching demos of the two of them, Alexa still wins hands down. >>>> Sure, with Google Now, when you ask it questions, you can ask subsequent >>>> questions about the topic you started with it. Alexa has a hard time >>>> with that, but she has more smart devices she can connect to than >>>> Google. On a video I saw, you can rectify the problem by using IFTTT, >>>> but that sounds like it could be more complicated than it should be. >>>> Also, it just sounds better to call your virtual assistant by a name >>>> rather than Google or Amazon, so Alexa wins there too. Lastly, I can use >>>> Alexa anywhere I wish, on my Mac or on my phone using Reverb and Google >>>> doesn't have anything like that yet to my knowledge besides Allo, which >>>> like I said in my last message, only sends messages through text. I'd >>>> rather have the app speak the messages the assistant sends automatically >>>> like Alexa does in Reverb. So for me, Alexa takes it. >>>> >>>> Shawn >>>> Sent From My White MacBook >>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk >>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs >>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper >>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com >>>> >>>>> On Apr 23, 2017, at 3:19 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Wow there’s a lot of great points here. >>>>> >>>>> I’m curious, as someone who’s heavily involved in AI who do you think >>>>> is the absolute cutting edge right now outside the classified space. >>>>> Maybe you could rank a little the major publicly visible efforts like >>>>> Watson verses Google verses Amazon and such. Who makes you think wow >>>>> that’s really impressive? We know Apple in many ways is behind the >>>>> times but who’s way ahead? >>>>> >>>>> Also, do you have any published papers or anything I could read of your >>>>> work you’ve impressed me with your response and I’d like to learn more >>>>> about where you’re coming from. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Scott >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 23, 2017, at 3:54 AM, Yuma Decaux <jamy...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I wanted to chime in for a few points: >>>>>> >>>>>> Apple is dispersing itself a bit too much. What's next on the line? A >>>>>> Lavazza partnership for a coffee machine? Or maybe some jogging shoes >>>>>> with mag safe laces? Better yet, a Mars lander capsule with an >>>>>> enhanced version of voice over? Wait, the latter is something they >>>>>> should aim for, shoot to mars projects, not attempts at capturing >>>>>> consumer markets outside of what they do best. >>>>>> >>>>>> In terms of the A.I, as a daily A.I programmer, I'm not impressed at >>>>>> all. Why does siri forget a name I call all the time when it worked >>>>>> until then? What is the use of asking me the same thing all the time, >>>>>> when siri should know that I know the command better and faster than >>>>>> it can respond? And what about putting some of the phrases together, >>>>>> and assist in performance driven ways, which is the one major reason >>>>>> why I would like an assistant as a blind user? Wait, this bleeds into >>>>>> all users anyway, and google now + alexia are taking cloud based and >>>>>> data centric approaches way higher. To be fair, Apple's frameworks are >>>>>> increasingly better, and the sheer breadth of things you can do with >>>>>> their libraries is the model they have taken, to create an eco system >>>>>> where the user can become one of the earners, and participate in >>>>>> Apple's success, for some, along with their own. And taking 30% off >>>>>> their sales. >>>>>> >>>>>> But the fact is that Apple has lost in not using the data available to >>>>>> them, and this comes to one thing Apple distinguishes itself from the >>>>>> other players: The OS and hardware setup is a help, not a listener. >>>>>> Entertainment, not a commodity, like the advertising model Google or >>>>>> FB take. And this is the crux of their problem, which is a societal >>>>>> question: how much are you privvy to your own circle, and how much is >>>>>> the public image and lifestyle? Do both agree that there are worldly >>>>>> matters that require engineering, and thus pro connectivity to >>>>>> everything? OSX connects to Linux, windows, and its programming >>>>>> language swift is now ported to linux. Integration with python and >>>>>> other languages is amazing, and it is c based. When you say Apple's >>>>>> interface is easy to use, it is and it accelerates as you learn your >>>>>> key commands. >>>>>> >>>>>> But in this era of A.I, where it faults is the assistant's capacity to >>>>>> really assist, not be a gimmick with far few too many things to offer, >>>>>> despite how it markets it, which I find a bit insulting at times, >>>>>> knowing what the world of A.I is currently able to do, in academic >>>>>> circles I frequent daily. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Disgruntled but happy >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 23/04/2017, at 4:11 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Amazon's speech recognition assistant. Works well in the US and some >>>>>>> places in Europe. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >>>>>>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936 >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 23/04/2017, at 10:44, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry but what is this Alexa? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn >>>>>>>> Krasniuk >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 23 April 2017 6:33 AM >>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: And here's an example of why Apple is losing the >>>>>>>> digital assistant game >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Scott. While I'm a loyal Apple customer, I completely agree with >>>>>>>> you about Siri. Siri is one of the reasons I bought my Amazon Echo >>>>>>>> Dot. Alexa is just a better assistant than Siri is. I mean, with the >>>>>>>> Dot, Alexa gets better and better every day with the number of >>>>>>>> skills that get added each day. With Siri, you have to wait until >>>>>>>> Apple updates her with every iOS major release. This was acceptible >>>>>>>> in 2011, but when Amazon and Google are beating you in the AI >>>>>>>> department in 2017, maybe its time that Apple take notice. I'll >>>>>>>> still buy Apple products and use Siri to make calls, text people, >>>>>>>> and find out what song I'm listening to on the radio, but that's all >>>>>>>> she's good for. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Shawn >>>>>>>> Sent From My White MacBook >>>>>>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk >>>>>>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs >>>>>>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper >>>>>>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com >>>>>>>> P.S. Scott, that was a good article about the Google Home. It's just >>>>>>>> too bad that I can't talk to the Google Assistant on my phone or my >>>>>>>> computer like I can with Alexa using Reverb. I know that you can >>>>>>>> talk to her with Google Allo, but with that app she doesn't speak >>>>>>>> her answers back to you. For that, Alexa still wins. Also, you can >>>>>>>> talk to her in the Google Search app, but that functionality only >>>>>>>> works for searches. I just wanna have fun with it, not search for >>>>>>>> things. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Scott Granados >>>>>>>>> <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, Apple brought us Siri and we had hi hopes but they’ve let it >>>>>>>>> fall flat on it’s face and are being schooled by Amazon and >>>>>>>>> especially google. Let’s look at the announcements recently from >>>>>>>>> the 3 companies. Alexa continues to make strides with additional >>>>>>>>> integration across multiple platforms and expanded languages and >>>>>>>>> ability to parse complex sentences, Google takes things even >>>>>>>>> farther allowing their units to distinguish between users by their >>>>>>>>> voices, provides tight integration with hundreds of data sources >>>>>>>>> and literally adds features on a biweekly basis, and Apple, what’s >>>>>>>>> Apple announcing. Siri now can read your what’s app messages. >>>>>>>>> (Big freaking whoop Apple). Google announces multiple voice >>>>>>>>> recognition and the addition of real neural net technology and >>>>>>>>> Apple can now read text messages from a 3rd party app. They have >>>>>>>>> to do better. The iPhone is such a good phone in every way but >>>>>>>>> then you’re stuck with Siri. You are letting us down Apple, you’re >>>>>>>>> not innovating any more and you’re going to see folks like my self >>>>>>>>> for example jump off the Apple band wagon and squarely on to the >>>>>>>>> Google Pixel band wagon if you don’t get your act together. Here’s >>>>>>>>> a link to the big announcement AKA Apple’s continued stagnation. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.redmondpie.com/siri-on-ios-10.3-can-now-read-out-new-whatsapp-messages-for-you/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>>>>>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>>>>>>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on >>>>>>>>> the list itself. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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