Wow there’s a lot of great points here. I’m curious, as someone who’s heavily involved in AI who do you think is the absolute cutting edge right now outside the classified space. Maybe you could rank a little the major publicly visible efforts like Watson verses Google verses Amazon and such. Who makes you think wow that’s really impressive? We know Apple in many ways is behind the times but who’s way ahead?
Also, do you have any published papers or anything I could read of your work you’ve impressed me with your response and I’d like to learn more about where you’re coming from. Thanks Scott > On Apr 23, 2017, at 3:54 AM, Yuma Decaux <jamy...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I wanted to chime in for a few points: > > Apple is dispersing itself a bit too much. What's next on the line? A Lavazza > partnership for a coffee machine? Or maybe some jogging shoes with mag safe > laces? Better yet, a Mars lander capsule with an enhanced version of voice > over? Wait, the latter is something they should aim for, shoot to mars > projects, not attempts at capturing consumer markets outside of what they do > best. > > In terms of the A.I, as a daily A.I programmer, I'm not impressed at all. Why > does siri forget a name I call all the time when it worked until then? What > is the use of asking me the same thing all the time, when siri should know > that I know the command better and faster than it can respond? And what about > putting some of the phrases together, and assist in performance driven ways, > which is the one major reason why I would like an assistant as a blind user? > Wait, this bleeds into all users anyway, and google now + alexia are taking > cloud based and data centric approaches way higher. To be fair, Apple's > frameworks are increasingly better, and the sheer breadth of things you can > do with their libraries is the model they have taken, to create an eco system > where the user can become one of the earners, and participate in Apple's > success, for some, along with their own. And taking 30% off their sales. > > But the fact is that Apple has lost in not using the data available to them, > and this comes to one thing Apple distinguishes itself from the other > players: The OS and hardware setup is a help, not a listener. Entertainment, > not a commodity, like the advertising model Google or FB take. And this is > the crux of their problem, which is a societal question: how much are you > privvy to your own circle, and how much is the public image and lifestyle? Do > both agree that there are worldly matters that require engineering, and thus > pro connectivity to everything? OSX connects to Linux, windows, and its > programming language swift is now ported to linux. Integration with python > and other languages is amazing, and it is c based. When you say Apple's > interface is easy to use, it is and it accelerates as you learn your key > commands. > > But in this era of A.I, where it faults is the assistant's capacity to really > assist, not be a gimmick with far few too many things to offer, despite how > it markets it, which I find a bit insulting at times, knowing what the world > of A.I is currently able to do, in academic circles I frequent daily. > > > Disgruntled but happy > > > > > > > > > >> On 23/04/2017, at 4:11 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Amazon's speech recognition assistant. Works well in the US and some places >> in Europe. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >> Mobile: +61 488 988 936 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 23/04/2017, at 10:44, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >>> >>> Sorry but what is this Alexa? >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk >>> Sent: Sunday, 23 April 2017 6:33 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: And here's an example of why Apple is losing the digital >>> assistant game >>> >>> Hi Scott. While I'm a loyal Apple customer, I completely agree with you >>> about Siri. Siri is one of the reasons I bought my Amazon Echo Dot. Alexa >>> is just a better assistant than Siri is. I mean, with the Dot, Alexa gets >>> better and better every day with the number of skills that get added each >>> day. With Siri, you have to wait until Apple updates her with every iOS >>> major release. This was acceptible in 2011, but when Amazon and Google are >>> beating you in the AI department in 2017, maybe its time that Apple take >>> notice. I'll still buy Apple products and use Siri to make calls, text >>> people, and find out what song I'm listening to on the radio, but that's >>> all she's good for. >>> >>> Shawn >>> Sent From My White MacBook >>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk >>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs >>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper >>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com >>> P.S. Scott, that was a good article about the Google Home. It's just too >>> bad that I can't talk to the Google Assistant on my phone or my computer >>> like I can with Alexa using Reverb. I know that you can talk to her with >>> Google Allo, but with that app she doesn't speak her answers back to you. >>> For that, Alexa still wins. Also, you can talk to her in the Google Search >>> app, but that functionality only works for searches. I just wanna have fun >>> with it, not search for things. >>> >>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> So, Apple brought us Siri and we had hi hopes but they’ve let it fall flat >>>> on it’s face and are being schooled by Amazon and especially google. >>>> Let’s look at the announcements recently from the 3 companies. Alexa >>>> continues to make strides with additional integration across multiple >>>> platforms and expanded languages and ability to parse complex sentences, >>>> Google takes things even farther allowing their units to distinguish >>>> between users by their voices, provides tight integration with hundreds of >>>> data sources and literally adds features on a biweekly basis, and Apple, >>>> what’s Apple announcing. Siri now can read your what’s app messages. >>>> (Big freaking whoop Apple). Google announces multiple voice recognition >>>> and the addition of real neural net technology and Apple can now read text >>>> messages from a 3rd party app. They have to do better. The iPhone is >>>> such a good phone in every way but then you’re stuck with Siri. You are >>>> letting us down Apple, you’re not innovating any more and you’re going to >>>> see folks like my self for example jump off the Apple band wagon and >>>> squarely on to the Google Pixel band wagon if you don’t get your act >>>> together. 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