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On 4/23/17 4:32 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
Hi David and Krister. I just purchased an Amazon Echo Dot a few weeks ago and Alexa works perfectly. I can listen to my favorite iHeartRadio stations and Pandora just fine. Granted I used a VPN to create accounts for both services but even if I didn't have them because they don't work in Canada and if I didn't have a VPN, I could still probably listen to Tunein just fine. Also I had to use an American zipcode for weather but that's no problem. If you ask Alexa for weather conditions in, say Winnipeg where I'm from, she'll tell you what it's like here. Anyway, there are a bunch of articles and Youtube videos that show that you can use Alexa outside the US, you just gotta search for them. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.comOn Apr 23, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote: That was what i was about to write a couple mails ago, many of those digital assistants have no or limited functionality outside the US. I’m not certain that even Google or Siri for that matter works at their fullest here in Sweden and then let’s not even begin to talk Samsungs new Bixby. I wonder when or rather if it will ever reach these cold is it latitudes?:-) /Krister23 apr. 2017 kl. 14:18 skrev David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com>: Step outside the US, and Alexa falls apart. Unlike Siri and Google, Alexa does not support anything outside it's limited geographical area. This is why it is able to be so much better there, it is limited in scope. Kind regards, David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +61 488 988 936 Sent from my iPhoneOn 23/04/2017, at 20:50, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com> wrote: Yes. Just search for Reverb for Amazon Alexa. Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 23, 2017, at 5:44 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: So Sean, This amazon alexa is available through an app for my iPhone? -----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Sunday, 23 April 2017 9:47 PM To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: And here's an example of why Apple is losing the digital assistant game Hi Scott. I'm not Yuma but I can tell you who I think is the better AI. After watching demos of the two of them, Alexa still wins hands down. Sure, with Google Now, when you ask it questions, you can ask subsequent questions about the topic you started with it. Alexa has a hard time with that, but she has more smart devices she can connect to than Google. On a video I saw, you can rectify the problem by using IFTTT, but that sounds like it could be more complicated than it should be. Also, it just sounds better to call your virtual assistant by a name rather than Google or Amazon, so Alexa wins there too. Lastly, I can use Alexa anywhere I wish, on my Mac or on my phone using Reverb and Google doesn't have anything like that yet to my knowledge besides Allo, which like I said in my last message, only sends messages through text. I'd rather have the app speak the messages the assistant sends automatically like Alexa does in Reverb. So for me, Alexa takes it. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.comOn Apr 23, 2017, at 3:19 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: Wow there’s a lot of great points here. I’m curious, as someone who’s heavily involved in AI who do you think is the absolute cutting edge right now outside the classified space. Maybe you could rank a little the major publicly visible efforts like Watson verses Google verses Amazon and such. Who makes you think wow that’s really impressive? We know Apple in many ways is behind the times but who’s way ahead? Also, do you have any published papers or anything I could read of your work you’ve impressed me with your response and I’d like to learn more about where you’re coming from. Thanks ScottOn Apr 23, 2017, at 3:54 AM, Yuma Decaux <jamy...@gmail.com> wrote: I wanted to chime in for a few points: Apple is dispersing itself a bit too much. What's next on the line? A Lavazza partnership for a coffee machine? Or maybe some jogging shoes with mag safe laces? Better yet, a Mars lander capsule with an enhanced version of voice over? Wait, the latter is something they should aim for, shoot to mars projects, not attempts at capturing consumer markets outside of what they do best. In terms of the A.I, as a daily A.I programmer, I'm not impressed at all. Why does siri forget a name I call all the time when it worked until then? What is the use of asking me the same thing all the time, when siri should know that I know the command better and faster than it can respond? And what about putting some of the phrases together, and assist in performance driven ways, which is the one major reason why I would like an assistant as a blind user? Wait, this bleeds into all users anyway, and google now + alexia are taking cloud based and data centric approaches way higher. To be fair, Apple's frameworks are increasingly better, and the sheer breadth of things you can do with their libraries is the model they have taken, to create an eco system where the user can become one of the earners, and participate in Apple's success, for some, along with their own. And taking 30% off their sales. But the fact is that Apple has lost in not using the data available to them, and this comes to one thing Apple distinguishes itself from the other players: The OS and hardware setup is a help, not a listener. Entertainment, not a commodity, like the advertising model Google or FB take. And this is the crux of their problem, which is a societal question: how much are you privvy to your own circle, and how much is the public image and lifestyle? Do both agree that there are worldly matters that require engineering, and thus pro connectivity to everything? OSX connects to Linux, windows, and its programming language swift is now ported to linux. Integration with python and other languages is amazing, and it is c based. When you say Apple's interface is easy to use, it is and it accelerates as you learn your key commands. But in this era of A.I, where it faults is the assistant's capacity to really assist, not be a gimmick with far few too many things to offer, despite how it markets it, which I find a bit insulting at times, knowing what the world of A.I is currently able to do, in academic circles I frequent daily. Disgruntled but happyOn 23/04/2017, at 4:11 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote: Amazon's speech recognition assistant. Works well in the US and some places in Europe. Kind regards, David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +61 488 988 936 Sent from my iPhoneOn 23/04/2017, at 10:44, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: Sorry but what is this Alexa? -----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk Sent: Sunday, 23 April 2017 6:33 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: And here's an example of why Apple is losing the digital assistant game Hi Scott. While I'm a loyal Apple customer, I completely agree with you about Siri. Siri is one of the reasons I bought my Amazon Echo Dot. Alexa is just a better assistant than Siri is. I mean, with the Dot, Alexa gets better and better every day with the number of skills that get added each day. With Siri, you have to wait until Apple updates her with every iOS major release. This was acceptible in 2011, but when Amazon and Google are beating you in the AI department in 2017, maybe its time that Apple take notice. I'll still buy Apple products and use Siri to make calls, text people, and find out what song I'm listening to on the radio, but that's all she's good for. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com P.S. Scott, that was a good article about the Google Home. It's just too bad that I can't talk to the Google Assistant on my phone or my computer like I can with Alexa using Reverb. I know that you can talk to her with Google Allo, but with that app she doesn't speak her answers back to you. For that, Alexa still wins. Also, you can talk to her in the Google Search app, but that functionality only works for searches. I just wanna have fun with it, not search for things.On Apr 22, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: So, Apple brought us Siri and we had hi hopes but they’ve let it fall flat on it’s face and are being schooled by Amazon and especially google. Let’s look at the announcements recently from the 3 companies. Alexa continues to make strides with additional integration across multiple platforms and expanded languages and ability to parse complex sentences, Google takes things even farther allowing their units to distinguish between users by their voices, provides tight integration with hundreds of data sources and literally adds features on a biweekly basis, and Apple, what’s Apple announcing. Siri now can read your what’s app messages. (Big freaking whoop Apple). Google announces multiple voice recognition and the addition of real neural net technology and Apple can now read text messages from a 3rd party app. They have to do better. 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