Well, I was unaware of how to start VoiceView independently. It is good to know that one can do so without needing to initially set up in settings.
Kind regards, David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +61 488 988 936 Sent from my iPhone > On 25/04/2017, at 12:31, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > So if the fire stick needs sighted assistance to enable accessibility then is > the fire tv any better for accessibility and which one is better between the > fire stick and fire tv? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden > Sent: Tuesday, 25 April 2017 10:44 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: And here's an example of why Apple is losing the digital > assistant game > > I set up NetFlix myself. > > My partner had to go into settings and turn VoiceAssist on for the FireStick. > > Kind regards, > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > Mobile: +61 488 988 936 > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 24/04/2017, at 21:12, Ryan Mann <rmann0...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Could you set up Netflix yourself or did your partner have to set it up? >> What about other settings such as the WIFI network? I live alone, so if I >> was to get a Fire Stick, I would need to be able to set it up. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 24, 2017, at 6:10 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I believe there is an accessibility solution for COdi now. Something >>> that’s come out with in the last few weeks. THere’s been mention of it on >>> the android list although I don’t have specifics at hand. You. Might >>> google for a solution as I think one has recently been released. >>> >>>> On Apr 23, 2017, at 4:45 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I have, and use, an Amazon Fire Stick. In Australia and NZ, it is not >>>> possible to check the local weather. >>>> >>>> That said, Fire Stick works very well with NetFlicks. Like Apple TV, we >>>> have it set to always play Audio Description when available. We prefer >>>> Fire Stick over Apple TV, especially because of Codi, a way to watch any >>>> show and get around geo restrictions. Unfortunately, it is not speech >>>> accessible, so my partner is the only one in this household who can run it. >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >>>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936 >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On 24/04/2017, at 06:32, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi David and Krister. I just purchased an Amazon Echo Dot a few weeks ago >>>>> and Alexa works perfectly. I can listen to my favorite iHeartRadio >>>>> stations and Pandora just fine. Granted I used a VPN to create accounts >>>>> for both services but even if I didn't have them because they don't work >>>>> in Canada and if I didn't have a VPN, I could still probably listen to >>>>> Tunein just fine. Also I had to use an American zipcode for weather but >>>>> that's no problem. If you ask Alexa for weather conditions in, say >>>>> Winnipeg where I'm from, she'll tell you what it's like here. Anyway, >>>>> there are a bunch of articles and Youtube videos that show that you can >>>>> use Alexa outside the US, you just gotta search for them. >>>>> >>>>> Shawn >>>>> Sent From My White MacBook >>>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk >>>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs >>>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper >>>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 23, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> That was what i was about to write a couple mails ago, many of >>>>>> those digital assistants have no or limited functionality outside >>>>>> the US. I’m not certain that even Google or Siri for that matter >>>>>> works at their fullest here in Sweden and then let’s not even >>>>>> begin to talk Samsungs new Bixby. I wonder when or rather if it >>>>>> will ever reach these cold is it latitudes?:-) /Krister >>>>>> >>>>>>> 23 apr. 2017 kl. 14:18 skrev David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Step outside the US, and Alexa falls apart. Unlike Siri and Google, >>>>>>> Alexa does not support anything outside it's limited geographical area. >>>>>>> This is why it is able to be so much better there, it is limited in >>>>>>> scope. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >>>>>>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936 >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 23/04/2017, at 20:50, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes. Just search for Reverb for Amazon Alexa. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2017, at 5:44 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So Sean, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This amazon alexa is available through an app for my iPhone? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn >>>>>>>>> Krasniuk >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 23 April 2017 9:47 PM >>>>>>>>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: And here's an example of why Apple is losing the >>>>>>>>> digital assistant game >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Scott. I'm not Yuma but I can tell you who I think is the better >>>>>>>>> AI. After watching demos of the two of them, Alexa still wins hands >>>>>>>>> down. Sure, with Google Now, when you ask it questions, you can ask >>>>>>>>> subsequent questions about the topic you started with it. Alexa has a >>>>>>>>> hard time with that, but she has more smart devices she can connect >>>>>>>>> to than Google. On a video I saw, you can rectify the problem by >>>>>>>>> using IFTTT, but that sounds like it could be more complicated than >>>>>>>>> it should be. Also, it just sounds better to call your virtual >>>>>>>>> assistant by a name rather than Google or Amazon, so Alexa wins there >>>>>>>>> too. Lastly, I can use Alexa anywhere I wish, on my Mac or on my >>>>>>>>> phone using Reverb and Google doesn't have anything like that yet to >>>>>>>>> my knowledge besides Allo, which like I said in my last message, only >>>>>>>>> sends messages through text. I'd rather have the app speak the >>>>>>>>> messages the assistant sends automatically like Alexa does in Reverb. >>>>>>>>> So for me, Alexa takes it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Shawn >>>>>>>>> Sent From My White MacBook >>>>>>>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: >>>>>>>>> shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper >>>>>>>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2017, at 3:19 AM, Scott Granados >>>>>>>>>> <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Wow there’s a lot of great points here. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I’m curious, as someone who’s heavily involved in AI who do you >>>>>>>>>> think is the absolute cutting edge right now outside the classified >>>>>>>>>> space. Maybe you could rank a little the major publicly visible >>>>>>>>>> efforts like Watson verses Google verses Amazon and such. Who makes >>>>>>>>>> you think wow that’s really impressive? We know Apple in many ways >>>>>>>>>> is behind the times but who’s way ahead? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Also, do you have any published papers or anything I could read of >>>>>>>>>> your work you’ve impressed me with your response and I’d like to >>>>>>>>>> learn more about where you’re coming from. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>> Scott >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2017, at 3:54 AM, Yuma Decaux <jamy...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I wanted to chime in for a few points: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Apple is dispersing itself a bit too much. What's next on the line? >>>>>>>>>>> A Lavazza partnership for a coffee machine? Or maybe some jogging >>>>>>>>>>> shoes with mag safe laces? Better yet, a Mars lander capsule with >>>>>>>>>>> an enhanced version of voice over? Wait, the latter is something >>>>>>>>>>> they should aim for, shoot to mars projects, not attempts at >>>>>>>>>>> capturing consumer markets outside of what they do best. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In terms of the A.I, as a daily A.I programmer, I'm not impressed >>>>>>>>>>> at all. Why does siri forget a name I call all the time when it >>>>>>>>>>> worked until then? What is the use of asking me the same thing all >>>>>>>>>>> the time, when siri should know that I know the command better and >>>>>>>>>>> faster than it can respond? And what about putting some of the >>>>>>>>>>> phrases together, and assist in performance driven ways, which is >>>>>>>>>>> the one major reason why I would like an assistant as a blind user? >>>>>>>>>>> Wait, this bleeds into all users anyway, and google now + alexia >>>>>>>>>>> are taking cloud based and data centric approaches way higher. To >>>>>>>>>>> be fair, Apple's frameworks are increasingly better, and the sheer >>>>>>>>>>> breadth of things you can do with their libraries is the model they >>>>>>>>>>> have taken, to create an eco system where the user can become one >>>>>>>>>>> of the earners, and participate in Apple's success, for some, along >>>>>>>>>>> with their own. And taking 30% off their sales. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But the fact is that Apple has lost in not using the data available >>>>>>>>>>> to them, and this comes to one thing Apple distinguishes itself >>>>>>>>>>> from the other players: The OS and hardware setup is a help, not a >>>>>>>>>>> listener. Entertainment, not a commodity, like the advertising >>>>>>>>>>> model Google or FB take. And this is the crux of their problem, >>>>>>>>>>> which is a societal question: how much are you privvy to your own >>>>>>>>>>> circle, and how much is the public image and lifestyle? Do both >>>>>>>>>>> agree that there are worldly matters that require engineering, and >>>>>>>>>>> thus pro connectivity to everything? OSX connects to Linux, >>>>>>>>>>> windows, and its programming language swift is now ported to linux. >>>>>>>>>>> Integration with python and other languages is amazing, and it is c >>>>>>>>>>> based. When you say Apple's interface is easy to use, it is and it >>>>>>>>>>> accelerates as you learn your key commands. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But in this era of A.I, where it faults is the assistant's capacity >>>>>>>>>>> to really assist, not be a gimmick with far few too many things to >>>>>>>>>>> offer, despite how it markets it, which I find a bit insulting at >>>>>>>>>>> times, knowing what the world of A.I is currently able to do, in >>>>>>>>>>> academic circles I frequent daily. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Disgruntled but happy >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 23/04/2017, at 4:11 PM, David Chittenden >>>>>>>>>>>> <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Amazon's speech recognition assistant. Works well in the US and >>>>>>>>>>>> some places in Europe. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>>>>>>>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936 >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23/04/2017, at 10:44, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry but what is this Alexa? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn >>>>>>>>>>>>> Krasniuk >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 23 April 2017 6:33 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: And here's an example of why Apple is losing >>>>>>>>>>>>> the digital assistant game >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Scott. While I'm a loyal Apple customer, I completely agree >>>>>>>>>>>>> with you about Siri. Siri is one of the reasons I bought my >>>>>>>>>>>>> Amazon Echo Dot. Alexa is just a better assistant than Siri is. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> mean, with the Dot, Alexa gets better and better every day with >>>>>>>>>>>>> the number of skills that get added each day. With Siri, you have >>>>>>>>>>>>> to wait until Apple updates her with every iOS major release. >>>>>>>>>>>>> This was acceptible in 2011, but when Amazon and Google are >>>>>>>>>>>>> beating you in the AI department in 2017, maybe its time that >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple take notice. I'll still buy Apple products and use Siri to >>>>>>>>>>>>> make calls, text people, and find out what song I'm listening to >>>>>>>>>>>>> on the radio, but that's all she's good for. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Shawn >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent From My White MacBook >>>>>>>>>>>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: >>>>>>>>>>>>> shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper >>>>>>>>>>>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com P.S. Scott, that was a good >>>>>>>>>>>>> article about the Google Home. It's just too bad that I can't >>>>>>>>>>>>> talk to the Google Assistant on my phone or my computer like I >>>>>>>>>>>>> can with Alexa using Reverb. I know that you can talk to her with >>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Allo, but with that app she doesn't speak her answers back >>>>>>>>>>>>> to you. For that, Alexa still wins. Also, you can talk to her in >>>>>>>>>>>>> the Google Search app, but that functionality only works for >>>>>>>>>>>>> searches. I just wanna have fun with it, not search for things. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Scott Granados >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Apple brought us Siri and we had hi hopes but they’ve let it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fall flat on it’s face and are being schooled by Amazon and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially google. Let’s look at the announcements recently >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the 3 companies. Alexa continues to make strides with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> additional integration across multiple platforms and expanded >>>>>>>>>>>>>> languages and ability to parse complex sentences, Google takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> things even farther allowing their units to distinguish between >>>>>>>>>>>>>> users by their voices, provides tight integration with hundreds >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of data sources and literally adds features on a biweekly basis, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Apple, what’s Apple announcing. Siri now can read your >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what’s app messages. (Big freaking whoop Apple). Google >>>>>>>>>>>>>> announces multiple voice recognition and the addition of real >>>>>>>>>>>>>> neural net technology and Apple can now read text messages from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a 3rd party app. They have to do better. The iPhone is such a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> good phone in every way but then you’re stuck with Siri. You >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are letting us down Apple, you’re not innovating any more and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you’re going to see folks like my self for example jump off the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple band wagon and squarely on to the Google Pixel band wagon >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you don’t get your act together. 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You can reach >>> mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is >>> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach >> mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is >> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
