Ray, again you’re wrong. I have had the council for two companies I have worked for evaluate this and they say not only is it acceptable to discuss public beta items on public lists but it’ was acceptable for me to do so representing the interests of the companies so not only was I protected as an individual I was protected if I wanted to discuss the topic on behalf of my employers. Something they wouldn’t do lightly. Further more, there’s enough case law to demonstrate that including the word public removes any expectation of privacy. (If you don’t secure your own trade secrets and represent them as public they are not trade secrets). I forget the latin phrase for this but I’ve won hundreds of thousands in a case where I was given secret information that was represented as public and then attacked for releasing that data even though I had received authorization. Finally, most of the verbiage in any Apple non disclosure is non enforceable outside California because of imperfections in the language.
The most important precedent here though is Apple has already dictated this to be a public beta. Public is the important adjective here and indicates that it’s for public consumption and discussion. So again, unless you know what you’re talking about please stop giving bad advice. I’m quite sure the Harvard Law School suits who advise me are more clueful on the topic. > On Aug 10, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote: > > Not even public beta questions. Why? Simple. It’s still beta and > therefore, falls under Apple’s non disclosure agreement. > Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind > built-in > > Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, > > Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless > iPhone7+ and Apple TV user! > >> On Aug 10, 2017, at 7:25 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se >> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote: >> >> Hi mark! >> I am sorry for that one. >> Not even public beta questions? >> If not then i am very sorry to ask this here. >> /A >> >>> 10 aug. 2017 kl. 05:57 skrev M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>>: >>> >>> Hello Anders, >>> >>> Beta software questions are not for this list. >>> >>> If you have beta software questions, you may request that list members >>> contact you, off-list. 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