Agree wwith you. -----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 5:24 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster
I would really just rather just keep it stupid simple and keep the fingerprint sensor. I am not against them adding face reg but I like the fingerprint myself. It all ready works with my bank app and all with out needing an update. On 8/30/17, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote: > OK. Will find out all of this when we find out, which is when Apple > decides to release the phone. I highly doubt the face recognition is > going to be based on pictures, it will most likely be infrared which > will be easier for people who can’t see it. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 30, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote: >> >> What I'd like to know is how is voice over going to work with Face >> recognition? My other question is how is a VI person to point the >> phone at one's face for the software to pick up that it was you? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Kawal. >>> On 30 Aug 2017, at 15:06, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I may be misreading things somewhat, but I find this article to have >>> some tongue-in-cheek factor to it. It references all the hype and >>> scare tactics out there when past features were implemented, and did >>> the bad things really come to pass? As Scott says, don't be naive >>> and believe that nothing can happen, but also don't jump on the >>> bandwagon freaking out at things that have likely been considered in >>> a very detailed manner by Apple developers. >>> >>> Later... >>> >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> >>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 22:32, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Mark, very interesting article. See I’m not as sensitive to this >>> because I’ve worked for the government and for companies in highly >>> secure locations where your face is scanned all the time. Face, >>> eyes, hands, finger prints, all scanned and cross referenced. When >>> I worked for a major financial house I had my hands scanned in 3D and sent >>> to the >>> federal reserve for a background check. So the idea that some >>> biometrics of mine exist out there in various clouds doesn’t freak >>> me out. I also worked for a company that put facial recognition in >>> stores, the way Bes Buy and other big chains do now. All technology >>> has good and bad sides. I like the comment we need to do our own do >>> diligence. I think that’s true. It can be hard though, there’s so >>> much conspiracy theory nonsense out there but then there are some >>> real conspiracies to be careful of so there you go. Great article, keep em >>> coming. >>> >>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 6:58 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> Macworld - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM Face it: Every new >>>> Apple technology is a disaster Apple is expected to release a new >>>> technology next month so you know what that means: it's time to >>>> worry about how bad it will be. >>>> Writing for Mashable, Jack Morse says if you're not afraid, you will be. >>>> You >>>> will be. >>>> That is, of course, a reference to a line the popular movie series >>>> Star Trek. Don't @ me. >>>> "Facial recognition tech is taking over smartphones. Here's why you >>>> should be worried." (Tip o' the antlers to Tibor Csapo.) There are >>>> few things more personal than a face. >>>> A bespoke granite carving of a beloved pet thrown through the plate >>>> glass window of your summer house. A loved one who can recite your >>>> genome from memory. An H-shaped pair of coffins so you and your >>>> spouse can hold hands for all eternity. Your groin. That's about >>>> it. >>>> Every wrinkle, blemish, and freckle combine to tell a person's story. >>>> That mole that looks cancerous. The vertical scar running over your >>>> left eye which is a glassy white and a memento of that knife fight >>>> in Singapore in 1936. Your gold prosthetic nose. Your face tattoo >>>> that says "FREE MUSTACHE RIDES". This is who you are, Marsha. >>>> Oh, and if smartphone manufactures have their way, that map will >>>> also soon be the preeminent key to your digital life. >>>> At least we won't be misplacing it all the time, amirite?! Ha-ha! >>>> Any-hoo, >>>> what's the deal with avocado toast? >>>> Basically, it's a lose-lose situation-albeit one that the >>>> smartphone makers of the world seem all too excited to drag us >>>> into. >>>> You will not be surprised to learn that the word "enclave", which >>>> is used to describe the technology Apple currently uses to keep >>>> your fingerprint safe as part of Touch ID and will certainly be >>>> used as part of Face ID, does not appear anywhere in this article. >>>> Companies like Apple, Google, and Qualcomm are charging ahead to >>>> make face scans the new biometric we'll rely on for everything from >>>> unlocking phones to making digital purchases. >>>> And presumably all these companies have the same set of >>>> motivations, right? >>>> Like, they're all interested in getting your data and selling to >>>> third parties because that's their business model, right? >>>> This question is never addressed. >>>> Apple is loudly berated for being behind the curve in AI because it >>>> won't pull your data up to the cloud and use it to enhance its >>>> results. At the same time, though, it's lumped in with the group of >>>> feckless data dealers who prefer to think of it as "our" email >>>> rather than "your" email. >>>> "Once the always-on device gathers information, it may be available >>>> to many kinds of people, contrary to the user's intentions," >>>> Schwartz said. >>>> "These include external data thieves, who may break into the device >>>> or the data farm where content is stored; or internal employees of >>>> the company that makes the device, who improperly misappropriate >>>> customer content; or the police, by means of a subpoena or search >>>> warrant (depending on what the police are demanding). >>>> Which company has the better track record on these? Biometric data >>>> on an iPhone is stored in the enclave which is paired with the >>>> sensor it validates against. Nothing is stored in a data farm. >>>> Also, Apple stood up to the FBI when it wanted to the unlock the >>>> phone of a terrorist. Pretty sure they'll probably stand up for >>>> you. >>>> None of this is worth mentioning, though. We are to presume all >>>> these companies equally want eat your delicious face data. >>>> "Absolutely people should be concerned," said Schwartz. "What else >>>> is the company going to be doing with the face [scan]?" >>>> Apple? Nothing. They don't have it. >>>> Does this matter to you now? Maybe, maybe not. But it probably will >>>> when someone drains your bank account using nothing more than a >>>> photo they pulled off your Instagram account. >>>> Remember when the same kind of hacking was going to run rampant >>>> with Touch ID, which was a security disaster even though it was way >>>> better than the four-digit passcodes or no passcodes many people >>>> were using? Remember when the Apple Watch was going to give us >>>> wrist cancer? >>>> It is important to do proper due diligence on these technologies as >>>> they come out. It is irresponsible, however, to run around telling >>>> people hackers are going to use their selfies to steal their money. >>>> Look, if your bank account is about to be emptied by the iPhone 8, >>>> it's not because of Face ID. >>>> >>>> Original Article at: >>>> https://www.macworld.com/article/3220447/ios/face-it-every-new-appl >>>> e-technol >>>> ogy-is-a-disaster.html#tk.rss_all >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>>> itself. >>>> >>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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