Mark,

Thanks! This was just the information I was looking for. So any responsiveness 
improvements mentioned in the 10/X iPhone are also present in the 8 based on 
your non-scientific testing. At least I know that if I upgrade this year I 
should not suffer any performance issues by using the non-top of the line 
model. Considering that I keep my phones for three to four years, I am willing 
to pay more if it means saving 1/10 of a second for each operation.


                Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Nov 18, 2017, at 9:29 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Lenron,
> 
> The 10 is not faster than the 8, especially when VoiceOver is enabled.  
> 
> A sighted friend and I spent some time together, today.  Me with iPhone 8 
> Plus and he, with iPhone 10.
> 
> We spent about 20 minutes or so performing various speed tests and I can tell 
> you that the 8 Plus and 10 are the same, in terms of speed.  In terms of 
> gestures, 8 Plus is definitely faster in that fewer gestures are required to 
> perform some tasks.
> 
> What makes iPhone 10, better, in air quotes, is its more sophisticated camera 
> system.  
> 
> However, when my friend and I took photos and showed them to people we ran 
> into at the mall, they couldn't tell which were taken on the 8 Plus and which 
> were taken on iPhone 10.  (smile)  
> 
> When we were outside in the bright, bright sunlight, my friends phone would 
> not consistently unlock using Face ID.  (big smile).  When this happened, I 
> couldn't help but laugh and laugh and laugh, so much so, that even strangers 
> around us began to laugh, also.
> 
> We had a good time with our phones, today.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 1:22 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
> 
> The 8 and the X has the same processor. So please tell me how is the X so 
> much faster?
> 
> On 11/18/17, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Looking at my šŸ˜ I really should put off replacing my iPhone 6 for 
>> another year. However, I am seeing significant delays in the phone 
>> especially when first using SIRI after boot or when switching back to 
>> VoiceOver after doing things in Siri. I am hoping that some 
>> adjustments to using older / compact TTY's might improve the 
>> performance of the 6. Does anybody have other suggestions? It gets 
>> pretty frustrating when it takes a minute to get my transit or Move It 
>> app up  and here the bus fly by that I was planning  to catch. 
>>              Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 1:39 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jonathan,
>>> 
>>> The 8 series and iPhone 10 have the same hardware processor and 
>>> memory capacity so they run at the exact same speed.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 8:54 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
>>> 
>>> OK, so when I upgrade, it sounds like I should not consider the 7 
>>> series of phones. It would be nice to know if the 10 is somehow 
>>> snappier than the iPhone 8. I'll probably have to pick a day to drop 
>>> by the Apple store before normal folks would be there so I can try 
>>> out both models. It certainly is nice to have a apple store 4 blocks from 
>>> my office.
>>> 
>>>             Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 6:21 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Alex,
>>> 
>>> From the iphone 7+ side of things,
>>> Yes the x is far faster and quicker response time
>>> 
>>> I canā€™t say anything about the 8 or 8+ but I would assume again that 
>>> itā€™s quicker mainly due to the processor and ram in the devices
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>>> Sent: Saturday, 18 November 2017 2:23 PM
>>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
>>> 
>>> One other question for any X users. I've read that the screen samples 
>>> touches faster than any other iOS device. Does this translate to 
>>> smoother VO experiences? That is, do swipes or other gestures 
>>> register faster, making VO feel snappier overall compared to a 7 or 
>>> 8? Or is the difference not really noticeable?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Alex Hall
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2017, at 16:39, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> All I can say is that it's different.
>>> 
>>> I'm finding it easy so far to convert but yeah it's different.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: Friday, 17 November 2017 11:51 AM
>>> To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
>>> 
>>> Well, Kliphton like me you use to have a windows mobile and that had 
>>> no home button so I am not surprised that you are use to having no 
>>> home button.
>>> 
>>> Hope to get my 10 next week.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 15 Nov 2017, at 21:32, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> the no home button is fine.  Like simon said, once you get use to it 
>>> itā€™s fine.  You place your finger, start sliding up, the first 
>>> feedback you get is to close the app or folder, if you keep going you get 
>>> the app switcher.
>>> I think it will come down to personal preference, I like the no home 
>>> button, but a lot of sited useres like the 8 because it still has it.  
>>> I have also learned you can still get to notifications and the 
>>> control center the exact same way.  This one is hit or miss, but 
>>> sometimes when I am in a folder, I just place my finger at the bottom 
>>> of the screen, and press down a bit and the folder closes for me.  
>>> Not every time, but about
>>> 45 percent of the time.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My main question for blind iPhone X users is about the home button. 
>>> I've seen some real negativity on Twitter about the decision to 
>>> remove the home button, but have not come across any such negativity in the 
>>> real world.
>>> How do users like the change? The Touch Bar on the MacBook, for 
>>> instance, is plenty usable but often less efficient than physical 
>>> keys are. Or is it more like the two-finger gesture on iPad under 
>>> iOS11, which makes accessing apps faster and more fluid, at least to 
>>> me? Or is it something else entirely?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:12, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Microsoft is in another dimension. I did forget OS X 10.9 which was 
>>> Mavericks.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off 
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/15/2017 8:39 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>>> Yes, thatā€™s true. Different reasons for Microsoft, I think, but same 
>>> result. But your points are valid.
>>> Devin Prater
>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, 
>>> Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services for the Blind
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don't think so. Remember, this IS the 10th anniversary of the iPhone. 
>>> Also remember, Apple did not skip iOS 9.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off 
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/15/2017 8:33 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>>> My guess is that technology companies donā€™t like the number nine. Ten 
>>> is just too exciting to wait for. Microsoft did this too.
>>> Devin Prater
>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, 
>>> Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services for the Blind
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 7:19 AM, Sharon Hooley <shoole...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:shoole...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wonder why Apple released iPhone 8 and then jumped to ten soon after?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:11 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>> So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my 
>>> iPhone X had arrived, And quite frankly itā€™s like being on a first 
>>> date, Iā€™m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something 
>>> wrong, I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using 
>>> iCloud backups  doesnā€™t work when your back ups are on IOS Public 
>>> beta versions, and the new device was IOS 11 production releaseā€¦ A 
>>> bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory 
>>> start point and run through without an issue So far after playing 
>>> around for an hour or so, Iā€™m actually really impressed with what 
>>> they have done, Once you get passed the fact there is no home button 
>>> itā€™s actually easy to work with the slide finger up to get the app 
>>> switcher and home screens.
>>> The device is very quick, and although smaller physically itā€™s stil 
>>> got great screen realestate to work with, So Iā€™d say so far itā€™s been 
>>> worth the wait but still more playing around to come over the next 
>>> couple of days At least the iPhone x doesnā€™t slap me if I put my hand 
>>> in the wrong place.
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