Hi Robert,
I think that you can move bookmarks and/or folders with copy and
paste, or even cut and paste. As far as I can tell, the top sites
acts as though it's a folder location within the bookmarks bar, and I
can copy and paste folders from my bookmarks bar into the regular
bookmarks folders, or rename them once they have been pasted there.
Just make sure that you actually move to the table of collections,
etc. before you try to paste or create a new folder. The "undo"
command (Command-z) should keep you from getting into any problems if
you get unexpected results.
I don't actually use "top sites" in my bookmarks. Safari 4 introduced
the use of CoverFlow view and keeping images of web pages (that get
displayed in the "top sites" option and also in CoverFlow view).
Since images take up storage space that I'm not likely to use, I
disable as much of this as I can. There was a way to disable the
Preview image options under the Safari 4 beta that can no longer be
used under the regular Safari 4. Actually, I realize now that I can
have "top sites" without having Preview Images, so I could turn this
setting back on. I regularly use the "Reset Safari" option under the
Safari menu with the option for "Remove all Preview images" checked --
just to get rid of these.
I think that the only reason "Top Sites" appears as the default
location for saving bookmarks is that it's the first item in the
list. Once you've saved a bookmark to another location, that location
then appears as the default location for saving bookmarks in your
dialog window.
HTH
Cheers,
Esther
On Feb 3, 2010, Robert Carter wrote:
Hi,
I have been storing my bookmarks under top sites. This is the
default when you elect to set a bookmark. I have learned to use the
top sites system but if I wanted to move these bookmarks from top
sites to the regular bookmarks table, could I do this using VoiceOver?
Thanks,
Robert Carter
On Feb 3, 2010, Esther wrote:
Hello Amber,
I'll try to add my answers to Scott's regarding the use of
bookmarks in Safari. Top Sites is a feature that was introduced in
Safari 4. Instead of being sites that you choose to bookmark,
these are the sites that you visit most frequently, based on your
recent browsing activity. The idea is that you can easily get back
to these sites without having to set a bookmark for them, and that
the places that make up your top sites will change depending on
your interests over time. In contrast, you might use bookmarks for
more permanent markers.
When you show your Bookmarks page (with Command-Option-B), there
are basically three areas: (1) a search field for running searches
of your bookmarks, (2) a table for selecting the collection or
folder of bookmarks you want to use, and (3) a table that lists the
individual bookmarks in your selected collection or folder. This
is very much like the organization of iTunes and other
applications. What may be complicating your view of the layout
when you try to navigate this page is the presence of both the
bookmarks bar and the toolbar (which includes the address bar) in
Safari. You can toggle these between hide and view with the
following keyboard shortcuts:
Command-Shift-B hides or shows the bookmarks bar for Safari
Command-Shift-backslash hides or shows the toolbar for Safari
(where the backslash key is the rightmost key immediately below the
delete key and above the return key on an English language keyboard)
Keeping the bookmarks bar and the toolbar hidden for Safari is an
old trick that was used starting back in Tiger when VoiceOver's
navigation options were less sophisticated -- the items in Safari's
bookmarks bar and toolbar show up both in item chooser menu and
when you navigate by tabbing or with VO-arrow keys, so hiding these
bars simplifies VoiceOver's view.
Once you have hidden the bookmarks bar and the toolbar, pressing
tab will cycle you between the three areas that I described.
Pressing Shift-tab will cycle you through these areas in the
opposite direction.
When you show your bookmarks page with Command-Option-B, you should
be positioned in the search box, with your selected folder or
collection from the table of collections or folders pointed to the
location you last used. This selection could also point to your
"history" of visited sites (that were not bookmarked). If you press
tab you should be taken to the table of individual bookmark
locations listed under that category. Interact (VO-Shift-Down
arrow) to read and select individual entries.
You can open a bookmark simply by pressing the space bar once when
you're on your selection, although Scott's correct that the context
menu (VO-Shift-M) will show you a range of options (including
"open"). Having learned this before there was context menu support,
I simply use space to open bookmarked pages and I click on either
the name or address field of my bookmark with VO-Shift-space to
edit the name or address.
To select a different folder, use tab or your VO-arrow keys to move
to the table of folders and collections, interact, and navigate to
the selection either with VO-up or down arrows or by typing the
first few letters of the folder name. Then stop interacting and tab
to the table of bookmark entries for that folder.
You can also search for entries. Either type in your search term
in the search text field when you first show the bookmarks page or
use Command-F and type in your search term(s) then press return.
You'll be taken to the search field. VO-left arrow to find out the
number of matches. VO-left again to find out the search locations
-- there should be two specified: the first is your selected folder
or collection location and the second is "All". One of these will
say "checked". To run the same search for the other location (i.e.
"All" or your selected folder), select that location with VO-
space. Then, tab to the table of results. You'll find the matches
for each case. Just press space to navigate to a selection.
Scott has mentioned the hot keys for the bookmarks bar. There is a
general shortcut key for moving to a toolbar: Control-F5. This is
a Mac OS X shortcut that is not specific to Safari. If the toolbar
is hidden, it will also show the toolbar.
I generally keep my toolbar and address bar hidden. (If I show
them, I either use Shift-Tab to move to the table to select my
folder, or I open my bookmarks page with the shortcut for creating
a new bookmarks folder: Command-Option-N. This opens the page and
takes my focus to the table of folders. Since I don't really want
to create a new folder I then do a Command-Z to "undo" my created
folder.)
I find that I can still access my address bar (with Command-L to
copy or paste in address locations), and my Google search bar (with
Command-Option-F). However, as soon as I execute my actions, the
toolbar closes again, so these items don't show up when I use item
chooser menu, etc.
There's an old archived post on bookmarks that I wrote two years
ago. It lists the entries that show up under the table of
categories (including history items and RSS feeds), but I think the
present description is more up to date. However, it was pretty
detailed, so if you want to check it out, here's the location in
the old Mailing List archives for this list:
http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss%40macvisionaries.com/
msg30591.html
HTH
Cheers,
Esther
On Feb 3, 2010, Scott Howell wrote:
Amber,
First the Top sites is a fancy name for the most recently visited
sites. The more sites you visit, the more likely they will fall
off the list. Second to access a bookmark, I interact with the url
in the table and use VO-shift-m to bring up the contextual menu.
THen you can select the action you wish. As far as the menu bar,
you could use a hot spot which is VO-shift-a number 1-9 and you
can remove this hot spot with the same steps and to go to that hot
spot, you simply press VO-number where number is 1-9.
hth,
On Feb 3, 2010, Amber Pearcy wrote:
Good morning listers,
As you can see from the subject line, I have several questions
for all of you today. I'll start with the questions about
bookmarks and top sites. I have been trying to figure out the
difference and functions of both of these two components of
Safari for several months now, but I can't seem to make much
headway. Is top sites only meant to be a temporary list of the
most recently visited sites, or does it actually store bookmarks
permanently? I was under the impression that I could store my
bookmarks there permanently, but often, when I try to find a
specific bookmark, it isn't in that list.
In regards to the actual bookmarks section of the browser, I have
never been successful opening the bookmarks that I have saved
there. I have tried VO space, clicking with VO Shift space and
double clicking. I think I have even searched in vain for a
contextual menu. Therefore, I resorted to saving everything in
top sites, but now, even this doesn't seem to be working well.
Concerning the tool bars, if I know that there is a tool bark at
the top of a web page or in
a particular program, is there a shortcut or VO command that will
take me to the tool bar from anywhere in the program or on the
web page?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Peace,
Amber
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