Hi, I don't wish to get into an argument here, but your comments appear to be simply your opinions. They don't seem to be based on any data. Cost of ownership, direct comparisons etc. In order to "get real" as you suggested, we would need real data. It is disrespectful to suggest that those who purchase Apple computers do it without considering all sorts of factors, including price, when they make their decisions. Asking that people consider some factors before forming their opinions is not making "excuses".
Later... Tim Kilburn Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Apr 25, 2019, at 10:08, lenron brown <lenro...@gmail.com> wrote: I understand most will make excuses for apple and that's fine. Lets be real though apple can be a bit over priced especially when it comes to computers. This is okay because most will pay for it I guess. I have come to the conclusion I don't need the latest and greatest, and when it comes to apple computers you pretty much get the same thing if you get a devices a couple years older anyways. On 4/25/19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Hi, > > When slamming the price of Apple hardware, consider the following: > > • MacOS and iOS are developed by Apple, and free to all users of their > hardware. The Android phones or Windows PC's do not have that same > expense. > • You'll pay similar prices when you purchase Tier 1 computers or > Google/Samsung devices. Quality internal components and software do not > come at discount prices. > • Accessibility is a priority and does not cost extra. I realize that > accessibility do not cost extra on most other tablets and mobile devices, > but accessibility is not often as robust as it is on iOS. > • Stock apps also come free, although the cost of those is likely included > in the overall prices. > • Updates to MacOS and iOS are free, not just for decimal increments. > > Sure, you can purchase an Android device, or Windows PC for less, and many > of them will do the job just fine. It's your choice whether you want to pay > for the reliability, accessibility and ecosystem experience of Apple. > > It's improper to make generalized comparisons between the platforms when > your only considering the price. > > JMO, of course. > > Later... > > > Tim Kilburn > Apple Teacher > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Apr 24, 2019, at 23:40, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > Hi Dan, > > Personally I agree apple products are over priced but they do tend to be > more reliable and longer lasting than your equivalent windows machines. > > As for your requests, > If you are looking at doing some music production then the increase in ram > isn't going to hert, > It's possibly a better increase option than needing to worry about the > processor as well. > > SO yeah if you've got a ssd 16GB ram, > The standard I5 processor should be fine for what you are requiring. > > If you've got an earlier mac mini then you could set that up to be a file > storage machine and work on your new machine so you get the best of both > worlds. > > Otherwise a good choice of device. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Dan' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, 25 April 2019 12:38 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Considering a new mac mini. > > Hi, > The normal stuff, word processing, web browsing, email and the like. > As well as some audio production. > So, I want to get the most I can for as little as possible and still have a > fairly good system. > I don't want to break the bank either. > I am increasingly of the opinion that Apple products are greatly over > priced and that's after many years of using apple products. > > Dan > > >> On Apr 24, 2019, at 4:15 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Dan, >> >> What is it that you wish to do with this machine? >> >> My personal thought is that SSD is without a doubt needed Processor >> will depend really on what you are doing, As for ram, 16gb isn't a bad >> thing but if your only using it to surf the net or write emails then >> it's overkill >> >> If your playing with music or video / graphics editing then it's a must. >> The average mac will work great in most situations with 8GB of ram, >> But in saying that,I'd go with 16GB jst to future proof even if it wasn't >> needed. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 'Dan' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Thursday, 25 April 2019 3:09 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Considering a new mac mini. >> >> Hello list, >> I'm thinking about purchasing a new mac mini. >> So here are a few questions. >> >> Out of the box with its basic configuration. What do you guys think of >> this machine? >> >> If I were to upgrade, I'd probably go with a 256 GB SSD. And perhaps also >> upgrading to the max processor for this unit. Should I increase memory to >> at least 16 GB or is that even necessary? >> >> The idea here is to get the best bang for the lowest price without any >> major compromises. >> >> Again, what do you guys think of this approach? In general what comments >> do you have regarding the mac mini. >> >> TIA. >> >> >> >> >> Dan >> >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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