Hi Janina, Yeah it is, Considering it's lasted being hit by me and a 50 seater tour bus, Dropped Stood on, Sat on multiple times. Keyboard losing keys, Food stuck in the usb ports, I love children,
So yeah I got my moneys worth out of it, I do think that if I get a 2017 refurbished device that automatically I lose 2 years off that devices life, So we'll put that in to the thought process over the weekend. -----Original Message----- From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2019 2:04 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017 Hi Again, Simon: I think six years from a machine is actually pretty good. My longest survivor ever was a 2008 Thinkpad X61s, which I just retired a couple months ago as it no longer powered up in any way. Not at all. I've had several desktop/tower machines go 8 or 9 years. And, I've had laptops go almost as long. But, here's the thing, if it's missing something you find fundamentally important, like a keyboard you like and a boot chime you actually depend on to function well, giving those up is unlikely to work out well, imo. I'm currently torn. If there's really a Pro from 2017 with the old keyboard, USB3, and a boot chime, I would consider that even though 16 Gb is something I consider baseline. I'm seeing the same problem in the Thinkpad X1 Carbon machines currently available new. I know Jason likes his Thinkpad P1 which can be had with 32 Gb ram. It has a great keyboard, even compared to other Thinkpads, and it includes a numeric keypad. How cool is that? But, then one is giving up OS X. Always some kind of trade-off! <smile> Best, Janina Simon Fogarty writes: > Hi Janina, > > Yeah I'm currently split on what to purchase as a replacement machine. > > The fully worked 2017 air would do the job, And has the to me better > keyboard but then the 2018 pro 13" has more ram, faster processor and > USB-C, > > However everything has down sides, the newer pro has the butterfly keyboard > which I'm not personally a fan of and will cost more for new adaptors but it > should survive 2 years longer in the life of simons products. > > My 2013 air has now lasted 6 years, > Can I get that from a pro. > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2019 11:39 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017 > > Hey, Simon. My wish for you is that someone returned these machines > because they'd heard there shouldn't be a boot chime any longer! > <grin> > > Janina > > PS: I looked at the 2017 Air machines still available today. I'm > disappointed. It looks to me like the only advantage of leaving my 2014 Air > for a 2017 model is a measly 4Gb more RAM. That's ain't enough today, imo. > > I'm back to looking at the small Thinkpad X1 Carbon machines for laptops. I > realize that would leave me out of the Apple eco system. I am finding the new > minis very attractive, so perhaps I'm thinking transitionally. > > You all have gotten under my skin enough so that I don't really want to leave > Apple out of my life. Heck, Safari has become my favorite gui browser in > recent months. Go figure. > > Best, > > Janina > > Simon Fogarty writes: > > Hi List, > > > > Just wondering if anyone on the list has a 2017 13.3" Mac book pro with > > 2.3GHz I5 prodessor? > > > > I'm just looking at one of these model machines from the apple refurbished > > devices and wondered why such a nice sounding machine would have been > > returned to apple? > > I just wondered if this might be a problematic model as there are 3 of them > > showing in the NZ apple website refurbished list. > > > > Cheers for any information. > > > > > > Simon f > > > > -- > > The following information is important for all members of the Mac > > Visionaries list. > > > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners > > or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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