So, I've been playing pretending I didn't have the boot chime and simply holding in option for a longish time while pressing the power button second.
I still want the chime, but I can see making it without it. I can reliably get to all three of my available environments. I'd go for the greater processing power of the I7. In the grand scheme of things, that's a steal for only $50, because you get to live with the benefits for a long time. Janina Simon Fogarty writes: > Na, > > I've made up my mind as to which one to get. > > And then cancelled at the last moment the choice I made. > I've got a choice of 2 machines, > The only difference is one has the I7 2.5GHz processor > an the other has the I5 2.3GHz processor, > other than that, they are the pro 13.3" with 16GB ram, > 512GB ssd, > Although one is release date 2017, > The other is new as of purchase time. > There is only $50 for the upgrade to the I7. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2019 2:37 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017 > > Simon, it sounds to me like you're weighing the trade-offs with a clear head. > Good luck! I expect a few of us will be interested to hear what you decide > and how it works out. > > Best, > > Janina > > Simon Fogarty writes: > > Hi Janina, > > > > The 2017 I7 2.5GHz 16GB ram & 512GB ssd pro has 2 USB-C ports for > > charging and connectivity to go with a crazy new Zealand price of > > $3179.00 That's a refurbished price, Brand new RRP is approx. 600 more. > > > > But it would be my first choice > > > > I'm thinking over the weekend on what device to purchase. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries > > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > > Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2019 1:54 AM > > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017 > > > > Simon: > > > > That 2017 Pro with an I7 and 16 Gb RAM sounds a lot better. It should have > > a pretty compelling price, because I should think that's pretty baseline > > specs for 64bit Windows 10 under Bootcamp--especially if you also want to > > run the Windows in some kind of vm. > > > > For me it would also need USB 3 ports, at least one, as I've got Linux > > booting off a tiny 256 Gb USB 3 stick that sticks out less far than the > > charging connector on my Air. > > > > Depending on the price and the weight, I will consider that one myself, > > because I'm looking to upgrade and get a few more years out of chiming > > boots. > > > > I do think asking for "a long time" may be asking a bit much from this > > specification, though.It really does strike me as baseline today. > > > > Best, > > > > Janina > > > > Simon Fogarty writes: > > > Hi Tim, > > > > > > I’ve gotta couple of options, > > > > > > The air would be a custom build to fully spec’ed out and yes still has > > > USB-A and thunderbolt 2. > > > > > > But only 8GB ram, > > > > > > I’m also looking at a 2017 I7 2.5GHz pro with 16gb ram and 512 GB > > > ssd, I’m not going to touch bar as that causes trouble with windows in > > > bootcamp. > > > > > > Which ever I end up doing it’s a long term thing so it will have to be > > > considered carefully. > > > > > > > > > From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries > > > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > > > Sent: Friday, 7 June 2019 2:35 AM > > > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > > > Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017 > > > > > > Hi Simon, > > > > > > Janina may be right :). No, it doesn't have a boot chime. I have a > > > similar model, but the 3.1 I5 processor and 16 GB of RAM. It's the one > > > with the Touch Bar and 4 USB C ports. I haven't had any problems with my > > > model although, like you, many don't like the feel of the butterfly keys, > > > and some are stuck on USB A ports, of which the MBP's have none. Battery > > > life is good, but not excellent. It's nice and light and handles > > > processing big jobs well. If the price is right, I'd go for it. > > > > > > Later... > > > > > > Tim Kilburn > > > Apple Teacher > > > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) > > > > > > [cid:image001.jpg@01D51D78.1FAE3810] > > > > > > Jamf Certified Associate > > > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > > > > > On Jun 6, 2019, at 05:38, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries > > > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hey, Simon. My wish for you is that someone returned these machines > > > because they'd heard there shouldn't be a boot chime any longer! > > > <grin> > > > > > > Janina > > > > > > PS: I looked at the 2017 Air machines still available today. I'm > > > disappointed. It looks to me like the only advantage of leaving my > > > 2014 Air for a 2017 model is a measly 4Gb more RAM. That's ain't > > > enough today, imo. > > > > > > I'm back to looking at the small Thinkpad X1 Carbon machines for > > > laptops. I realize that would leave me out of the Apple eco system. > > > I am finding the new minis very attractive, so perhaps I'm thinking > > > transitionally. > > > > > > You all have gotten under my skin enough so that I don't really want > > > to leave Apple out of my life. Heck, Safari has become my favorite > > > gui browser in recent months. Go figure. > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Janina > > > > > > Simon Fogarty writes: > > > > > > Hi List, > > > > > > Just wondering if anyone on the list has a 2017 13.3" Mac book pro with > > > 2.3GHz I5 prodessor? > > > > > > I'm just looking at one of these model machines from the apple > > > refurbished devices and wondered why such a nice sounding machine would > > > have been returned to apple? > > > I just wondered if this might be a problematic model as there are 3 of > > > them showing in the NZ apple website refurbished list. > > > > > > Cheers for any information. > > > > > > > > > Simon f > > > > > > -- > > > The following information is important for all members of the Mac > > > Visionaries list. > > > > > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > > > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > > > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > > > > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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