Its OK to be a fan boy I sure am one. They will make it happen if we push for it. We are almost there and from Tiger to SL we have made great strides. Lets go!!! On Feb 14, 2010, at 12:20 AM, Pete Nalda wrote:
> I don't think it's going too far off topic, maybe a little since I'm speaking > of Zoom, but we're still talking about word processors. While I agree that > Apple should take steps to make zoom work properly with pages, I think other > with other programs, it's the developers duty to program within the Cocoa > framework so that everything becomes accessible by VO *and* Zoom Users. I > also agree that having both Zoom and VO working together is *Very* > competitive to a Zootext/screenreader package on windows. Apple has done a > great deal to make Zoom one of the best full screen magnifiers available, and > as I sit here typing this email effortlessly with zoom, I think about all the > other productivity I get done on my machine and am grateful for that. We get > access, and the luxury of using probably the Best UI in the world (ok I know > I sound like a fanboy here, but I just never had much *fun* with windows or > linux). That said, here's to hoping for further advances, and yes I'll > surely do my part whenever possible. > > > On Feb 13, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Mueller, Matt wrote: > >> I've experienced the same issue in Pages and in Bean as well, though I have >> used both with VO successfully. Sadly, many such issues exist in zoom, most >> of them very basic to its use. Although I've reported these, I've seen no >> change in its performance since Tiger. To my thinking, the Zoom/VoiceOver >> combination has great potential for the ZoomText and MAGic audiences, but >> the commitment isn't there. I would urge you and any others who have an >> interest in seeing that potential realized to report issues and make sure >> Apple gets the message. I'll get off of this soapbox now and refrain from >> pulling this thread way OT. >> >> On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:31 PM, Pete Nalda wrote: >> >>> Will do! I'll be curious to see how that works with VO as well, as I use a >>> combination of both at a lot of times. Thanks for the tip! >>> >>> On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:13 PM, VaShaun Jones wrote: >>> >>>> You can also check out a free word processor called Bean. Its allot more >>>> than simple. >>>> On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Pete Nalda wrote: >>>> >>>>> This isn't really VO related, but, is accessibility related, but not too >>>>> long ago, I was in the Apple store and was trying out Pages on a machine >>>>> there, using Zoom, and much to my disappointment, didn't allow for cursor >>>>> tracking with Zoom. I thought, well, so much for advanced word >>>>> processing or desktop publishing, If I wanted that I'd have to migrate >>>>> back to Windows, Word, and ZoomText, or just do simple word processing >>>>> with Textedit. >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 13, 2010, at 10:17 AM, VaShaun Jones wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I feel this is a great idea. It is time for us to speak out as a whole >>>>>> on the I Work accessibility issues especially with the I Pad having I >>>>>> Work support. >>>>>> On Feb 12, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> And I would point out that any concerns should be directed to Apple. >>>>>>> THe more folks have to say about these issues, the more likely they get >>>>>>> addressed sooner than later. I have been sending feedback to >>>>>>> accessibil...@apple.com and via support as well. >>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2010, at 4:43 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Both comments and styles work fine with vo and pages. There are a few >>>>>>>> hang-ups however. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. Vo can't see bullets or numbers in auto bulleted or numbered lists. >>>>>>>> 2. You can't use vo to read or do any operations on in-line objects: >>>>>>>> objects embedded in the document. That being said however, you can >>>>>>>> read and use objects to a large degree if the are floating. In the >>>>>>>> later case, they are in the lay-out area. There ways to make an >>>>>>>> in-line object floating and there are indications that an object is >>>>>>>> present in a document because vo will say "hi-lited" hen you move the >>>>>>>> insertion point of it. >>>>>>>> 3. Templates seem totally unusable to me. Someone else might have a >>>>>>>> better handle on that but there seems to be things like text boxes >>>>>>>> with in-line text boxes. So it's not a nice situation for vo. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As it stands, I think that document creation using vo is very doable. >>>>>>>> Due to the problems I mentioned however, I think that collaborative >>>>>>>> writing projects, or any situation where you will have to read a >>>>>>>> document that someone else did using Word, will be problematic. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2010, at 1:21 PM, VaShaun Jones wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Listers, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am thinking of purchasing the latest version of I Work, but before >>>>>>>>> doing so is there enough VO support to justify the purchase? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Egun On, Lagunak! 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