Hello,
Here is something odd. The install media I created does not show up in system 
preferences as a startup disk. However I just did a restart and held down the 
options key while it was rebooting. I had my sighted son look at the screen and 
low and behold the USB Drive showed up there. This is really odd.

Greg Wocher


> On Dec 20, 2019, at 12:42 PM, Greg Wocher <gwoc...@gwocher.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I just did the get info command on the volume. Yes it is bootable and the 
> others that were mentioned are set the way they should be. I have tried it in 
> both of the USB ports with the same results. It will not show up in the 
> startup disk section of system preferences. Hopefully my new flash drive will 
> be here soon to try.
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Dec 20, 2019, at 11:24 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> It sounds like the USB media that you're using does not support the install 
>> media.  Verify the state of the USB media by going into Disk Utility, then 
>> selecting the "Install MacOS Catalina" item from the selection table.  Make 
>> sure to select the "Install MacOS Catalina" volume, not the parent disk.  
>> Once selected, press cmd-i to Get Info on the volume.  Read through the 
>> various information items and make sure that it says that the device is 
>> bootable.  Some specific items that are also important are if ownership is 
>> set to "No", File System is "MacOS Extended (Journaled", "Yes" to writeable 
>> and "Yes" it can be verified.  If all that is good, but it is still not 
>> bootable, have you tried putting the stick into a different USB port on your 
>> Mac?  Beyond these suggestions, I'd wait until your new USB comes from 
>> Amazon and see how things proceed with that media.
>> 
>> I just tested the process using Terminal and it worked properly.  That is, 
>> the disk creation worked through it various copying, installing, making 
>> bootable processes and completed.  I then checked in the Startup Disk pane 
>> and it was visible as a startup item.  Basically, if you don't see it as a 
>> bootable item from within the Startup Disk pane, then using the option key 
>> method will not work either.  FYI, my media was a 16 GB stick with a 2017 
>> MacBook Pro with a brand new installer of 10.15.2 from Apple.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
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>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
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>> On Dec 20, 2019, at 08:21, Greg Wocher <gwoc...@gwocher.com 
>> <mailto:gwoc...@gwocher.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I am using a 2015 MacBook air. The security utility is only used on Macs 
>> with the T2 chips in them. I am trying to create a bootable USB drive so I 
>> can preform a clean install of Catalina on my mac. I am wanting to start 
>> fresh with it.
>> 
>> Greg Wocher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 20, 2019, at 9:59 AM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  What are you attempting to create. In Mojave and Catalina, you have to 
>>> boot from the Recovery HD and use Security utility to make it so you can 
>>> boot from external drives. 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
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>>>> On Dec 20, 2019, at 6:43 AM, Greg Wocher <gwoc...@gwocher.com 
>>>> <mailto:gwoc...@gwocher.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I did try using the terminal last night and still no go. The process seems 
>>>> to finish okay but the USB drive still does not show up in the startup 
>>>> disk section of system preferences. Even when I unlock it so I can make 
>>>> changes there is only one option and that is the hard disk. I am using the 
>>>> full Mac OS catalina installer. Its an 8GB file in my applications folder. 
>>>> I did go into recovery mode but I did not see anything that would enable 
>>>> me to boot from a USB drive. I think that might be a thing you can do with 
>>>> Macs that have the T2 chips only.
>>>> 
>>>> Greg Wocher
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 19, 2019, at 7:33 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Easier? Maybe? I have used the app many times and it has never failed. 
>>>>> Matter of fact I retrieved the latest package from the app store when 
>>>>> 10.15.2 was released and I just created a new USB installer with it using 
>>>>> the app. And it shows up in startup. So I do not think the terminal would 
>>>>> fare any better.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/19/2019 3:32 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
>>>>>> Hi greg,
>>>>>> If the USb flash drive doesn't have a bootable package on it
>>>>>> Then no you wont see it in start up disks as there is nothing on the USB 
>>>>>> device to start up from.
>>>>>> If you have the bootable Catalina installer the full package then it 
>>>>>> would be easier by far to create the installation media from the 
>>>>>> terminal command line.
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Greg Wocher
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, 20 December 2019 8:01 AM
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Problems trying to create bootable USB Drive
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> Well I downloaded install disk creator and it does have a much better 
>>>>>> interface than disk maker X. When I used it, it appeared to have worked. 
>>>>>> However when I go into system preferences/startup disk the flash drive 
>>>>>> is not listed. No matter what I do I cannot get this to work. I have a 
>>>>>> new flash drive on order from amazon that comes tomorrow. Both of the 
>>>>>> ones I have are older ones. They are USB 2.0 and 16GB. The new one is 
>>>>>> USB 3.1 and is 32GB. Anything else I can try while waiting on the new 
>>>>>> flash drive? Also if I do a restart and hold option down is there a way 
>>>>>> for me to tell if it did use the USB drive to boot?
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Greg Wocher
>>>>>>> On Dec 19, 2019, at 11:05 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I would suggest this app, Install Disk Creator insteaa of DiskMaker X. 
>>>>>>> I had trouble with that one so threw it out. Also, you need at least a 
>>>>>>> 16gig stick.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were
>>>>>>> true?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 12/19/2019 7:16 AM, Greg Wocher wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>> I have been trying for the last several days to create a bootable USB 
>>>>>>>> drive so I can do a clean install on my mac. I am using a 2015 MacBook 
>>>>>>>> air that I bought in 2016. It is running the latest version of 
>>>>>>>> Catalina. I am using a program called Disk Maker X to create the USB 
>>>>>>>> drive. I have used two different flash drives I own. After completing 
>>>>>>>> the process, neither flash drives are recognized as start up disks. I 
>>>>>>>> am not sure what I am doing wrong. Anyone have any advice on what I 
>>>>>>>> can try so I can get a bootable USB drive?
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Greg Wocher
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