Thanks so very much. That is a lot of work. :) VO keeps pushing me out of the date field while I'm using the vo plus up or down arrows to change the values. I appreciate your explanation and I'm relieved to know I don't seem to be doing anything "wrong". It's just a lot of work. I will play with it more after absorbing the info you just sent me in this e-mail. I have not tried tab. Hmmmm.
Christina On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote: > Hi Christina, > > OK, I misunderstood your question and assumed that, when you were speaking of > birthday fields, you were speaking about iCal. I now understand that you're > referring to Address Book instead. > > OK, this is a complicated explanation. I'll try to make it as clear as I can. > Sit back and enjoy the bumpy ride… > > Address Book definitely has a bug in that VoiceOver often doesn't echo typing > and deletion of characters within a field. One has to type without feedback > and move away and back to double check the input. > > When editing a birthday field, first, make sure you're actually editing the > card rather than browsing the contact's scroll area and simply interacting > with the card's information. Again, I must stress the difference. Command'l > is the shortcut for editing a card. > > Now, assuming you've already added the birthday field, navigate to the field > and interact with it. Make a mental note of the month. If I'm not mistaken, > by default, the active field will be the month and the date will say December > 31, 2000. In this case, use only your up or down arrow key to change the > value. The up arrow will move the month forward like from december to January > and the down arrow will move it back like from December to November, for > example. Now, remember, you probably won't get any feedback. You'll probably > hear the year but don't assume that the active keyboard focus is on the year > field. > > When you've changed the month to what you think is correct, use only the > right arrow key to go to the day field and then use only the up or down key > to set the day. Repeat this for the year as well. Alternatively, you can try > simply typing the value and not use the arrow keys. Sometimes that seems to > work well but you might find yourself typing the wrong thing in the wrong > field. > > To check your entry, don't stop interacting or that will throw you out of the > scroll area. Instead, simply use Control-Option-left arrow to move left and > then use Control-Option-right arrow to read the date field. > > Now, an important thing to remember is that, once you've interacted with the > date field and have changed values and subsequently used VO-left arrow to > move away and back to check the date, when you once again interact, you'll be > on the last field you edited and not necessarily the month field like you > were in when you first interacted at the outset. Does that make sense? > > In other words, you interacted the first time and the focus was on the month. > You used the arrow keys to set the month, the right arrow key to move to day, > the up and down arrows (or just typing) to set the day, right arrow to move > to the year and set the year with what ever method you chose. Then you > pressed VO-left arrow to move away and then VO-right arrow to move back. > Let's say you needed to adjust the day field. When you again interact with > the date field you'll be on the year because that's where you were the last > time you interacted and that's where the keyboard focus is. So you now have > to use the left arrow key to move back to the day field. Hopefully that > explains the initial concept. > > Now, if you use other keys to navigate, like Tab, all bets are off on its > behavior. I'd assume that if you actually tabbed to an edit field, > VoiceOver's keyboard focus would leave the date field and upon tabbing back > to it, the month would be the first focused field. Anyway, that's an > assumption, I already stated. > > So, long story, it's not really easily accessible and it sounds complicated > but, once you're used to the process, it's certainly doable. > > Hopefully that helps. > > Slau > as > On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Christina wrote: > >> I apologize for writing again about this issue. Is I am very frustrated >> trying to enter dates into address book for birth dates and anniversaries. >> >> Is this not really accessible, or do I have a voiceover setting set up in a >> way that is causing so much distress? >> >> I'll try to explain the issues. I can interact with the date field. I seem >> to be able to vo left and right arrow between month/day/year. Then I have >> tried typing in the info or using vo plus up and down arrows. Typing does >> not seem to work as according to a sighted person there is a text cursor >> that is not moving with the vo cursor. I do have vo set up so that it >> should be following the vo cursor but it won't follow. I can move that >> cursor without using the vo keys and using just the right and left arrows. >> However, there is no audio feedback at all and I do not know where it is >> but if I type where that cursor is then it will type in that spot. So, if I >> use vo plus up and down arrows to change the month/day/year then it will >> move it up once and announce December no matter what month is actually >> entered then the next time I use vo plus up arrow vo completely jumps out of >> the date field. It is incredibly frustrating. >> >> Is address book actually not accessible and should I use something else? Or >> am i just not aware of the proper way to get this to work? I also forgot to >> mention that I often have the need to alt plus tab to another program then >> alt plus shift tab back to address book to get vo to interact properly for a >> short bit with the date field. >> >> Thanks so much for any help or advice and I apologize for the lengthy e-mail. >> >> Christina >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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