Greg,
Interesting your observation on the bug in Edge. That could well explain why 
tabl navigation used to work, and now does not.
As to Firefox, I’m using the version I downloaded last evening, version 95. How 
do I get my hands on a beta version?

Dave Carlson
 Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker

On Dec 12, 2021, at 3:32 AM, Greg Wocher <gtwoc...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,
Right now there is a bug in edge that won't allow those of us using VO to 
navigate tables. IF you are using firefox try and get the beta version. It 
seems to work a bit better than the non beta version or at least it did before 
I got my new mac. I have not tried it on the new machine as of yet. I may do 
that later and see what happens.

Greg Wocher

> On Dec 12, 2021, at 1:13 AM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:eric.o...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> yeah. I get that on some sites as well using safari. Part of it is probably 
> improper web code or use of non-standard html tags. Btw, have you tried edge 
> on the gmail website set in basic html mode? If the problem shows up there, 
> then it’s likely edge that’s the problem. Then again, Microsoft was never 
> very good at producing accessible products that worked on platforms other 
> than their flagship OS.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Dec 11, 2021, at 8:09 PM, Dave Carlson <dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Eric,
>> Thanks for the suggestions. My problem with MS-Edge is that I can’t navigate 
>> tables at all. When one shows up all I hear is the Table with x rows and y 
>> columns. 
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Woodworker, Oregonian, Pioneer, Musician, Engineer, and Farfar
>> 
>> On Dec 11, 2021, at 12:29 PM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:eric.o...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Google chrome seems to work ok, although it doesn’t poll the keychain access 
>> file for passwords (it tries to store them internally). On sites where some 
>> of the elements aren’t workable in safari, chrome might work (although this 
>> is hit or miss a lot of the time).
>> 
>> Oh, and forget about Firefox as it is barely accessible and tends not to 
>> render some sites in a way the screen reader understands).
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 11, 2021, at 1:23 PM, Dave Carlson <dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
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>>> 
>>> Having trouble with MS-Edge lately. Not too thrilled with Safari and how 
>>> chatty it is when filling in logon and passwords. What other browsers are 
>>> you using with any success?
>>> 
>>> Dave Carlson
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