I just listened to it on AppleVis, and I’m really surprised they took the time to import all those “novelty” voices over to IOS. Those came with the Mac long before Voiceover was even a thing, and while I thought it was hilarious to hear one of several of my teachers at FSDB, whom many of the teachers we had still used those before the school started slowly introducing them to the iMac, I can’t imagine too many people using those to actually read with. I’m not sure what I think of the additional voices yet.
> On Jun 20, 2022, at 6:23 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: > > seem you made it here after all > > > On Tue, 21 Jun 2022, mattias wrote: > >> how to remove unwanted voices? >> >> >> Den 2022-06-20 kl. 20:56, skrev Karen Lewellen: >>> Jonathan >>> , >>> auditory processing is a brain injury, I am not about to listen to >>> anything, provided in an environment, that might put me in hospital. >>> given even IOS and windows settings make me dizzy, the answer is no. >>> At this point I am feeling the default voice provided with this mid 2012 >>> installation of Catalina will be just fine with practice. Especially as >>> I make slight adjustments. >>> Far more concerned about the combination of keystrokes required, and >>> although I am sure it is here somewhere, how to repeat what vo has just >>> said? >>> Practice makes more comfortable, even if I doubt this is likely to become >>> my main machine any time soon..I love typing at 85 words a minute, and not >>> taking my hands off the keys too much laughs. >>> Thanks for the question, and the consideration though! >>> Karen >>> >>> On Mon, 20 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote: >>> > Karen and all, >>> > Have you listened to either the AppleVis or Jonathan Mosen podcast > >>> > demonstrating the new voices that are available in beta Apple operating > >>> > systems? >>> > They have even broght Eloquence to IOS. >>> > > Best wishes, >>> > > Jonathan Cohn >>> > > > > > On Jun 15, 2022, at 15:57, Karen Lewellen >>> > > > > > <klewel...@shellworld.net> > > wrote: >>> > > > > Which in one case requires one have more than one product. >>> > > By way of example, I have yet to find an iOS voice that does not > > >>> > > trigger the dizziness aspect of my auditory processing condition. >>> > > It is one reason why I wanted an older mac, and why I am, after years >>> > > > > of being on this list, only now in a position to really use apple >>> > > > > products at all. >>> > > My point is that inclusion also means choices, and limiting choices > >>> > > > because of how a person's body works, is not inclusion..at all. >>> > > > > > > > > On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: >>> > > > > > Newer Macintosh computers have a fingerprint sensor and even >>> > > > > > older > > > machines, can be unlocked if you are wearing an >>> > > > > > Apple Watch. >>> > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone >>> > > > > > > > On Jun 15, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Karen Lewellen > > > > >>> > > > > > > > <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >>> > > > > > > > > hi Tim, >>> > > > > Please share what you learn. Just got off the phone with main > > >>> > > > > > > apple support, the time window is only 8 hours, which is just >>> > > > > > > > > not suitable for me as I learn this machine. >>> > > > > As shared I have no issues with the data not being presented, > > >>> > > > > > > with practice I will likely be fine. >>> > > > > but as I just shared with my apple rep, you expect someone like > >>> > > > > > > > the late Stephen Hawking to have someone provide his log >>> > > > > in > > > > password every 8 hours? >>> > > > > If there is not an existing work-around for that population, one > >>> > > > > > > > should be created, even if hidden in the security privacy >>> > > > > area, > > > > an alternative way to provide password at log in, >>> > > > > or something > > > > of that sort. >>> > > > > best, >>> > > > > Karen >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MacVisionaries wrote: >>> > > > > > > > > > > Hi, >>> > > > > > > > > > > Whether it’s a VoiceOver user or a sighted user, they >>> > > > > > > > > > > will not > > > > > be able to see what is being >>> > > > > > > > > > > entered. Yes, on some web-sites, > > > > > there is a >>> > > > > > > > > > > “Show Password” option, but this is not the case > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > for the Login screen. You do bring up some good >>> > > > > > > > > > > points, > > > > > although I’m not sure I know a >>> > > > > > > > > > > workaround for them. Even > > > > > with newer >>> > > > > > > > > > > versions of the computer, and newer versions of the > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > MacOS there are things like the fingerprint >>> > > > > > > > > > > sensor. The > > > > > limitation here is still that >>> > > > > > > > > > > the full entry of the password is > > > > > required >>> > > > > > > > > > > after restart or logout for security reasons. I will > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to check with someone at Apple if there’s >>> > > > > > > > > > > some other way > > > > > that I’m not aware of that >>> > > > > > > > > > > would allow for password entry for > > > > > someone >>> > > > > > > > > > > with dexterity challenges. >>> > > > > > > > > > > Later… >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim Kilburn >>> > > > > > Jamf Certified Tech >>> > > > > > Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>> > > > > > Apple Teacher >>> > > > > > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>> > > > > > Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 15, 2022, at 09:18, Karen Lewellen > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim, >>> > > > > > > Thanks as always. >>> > > > > > > When I spoke to apple accessibility I asked a question. >>> > > > > > > since voiceover is not providing input, if one is new to the > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > mac, or used to a larger keyboard, mistakes are >>> > > > > > > quite > > > > > > likely. >>> > > > > > > however, what happens if someone cannot type at all? the > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > system does not let you speak your password either, >>> > > > > > > which > > > > > > speaking personally seems like rather a >>> > > > > > > barrier for those > > > > > > experiencing motor challenges. >>> > > > > > > While I respect the risk idea, I am more bothered by the > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > noninclusive nature of the door if that resonates. >>> > > > > > > If I could say set the requirement for once every 90 days, > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > giving me more time to either manage this keyboard or >>> > > > > > > add an > > > > > > external one it would be one thing. >>> > > > > > > As it is now, the problem prevents me from moving forward, and >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > I cannot resonate with that situation. >>> > > > > > > Kare >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Tim Kilburn' via >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MacVisionaries wrote: >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are trusted developers that are built in >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > system, as well as you >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being able to tell the MacOS if you > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > want to “Trust” a specific web-site for >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > downloads. > > > > > > > Leaving the setting >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to App Store and Trusted Developers is > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your best option. Regarding the locking >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the screen > > > > > > > after sleep or >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > screen saver, yes, indeed this can be > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configured. I’ll preface this by saying >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that when you > > > > > > > disable this >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature, you are leaving your Mac open to > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > security breaches. That being said, >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you are comfortable > > > > > > > with that >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > risk, or have other physical reasons for > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > preferring your Mac not to behave this >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way, then the setting > > > > > > > is in the >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Security & Privacy pane of System Preferences > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > under the General tab. >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Later… >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim Kilburn >>> > > > > > > > Jamf Certified Tech >>> > > > > > > > Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>> > > > > > > > Apple Teacher >>> > > > > > > > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>> > > > > > > > Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 15, 2022, at 08:26, Karen Lewellen > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <klewel...@shellworld.net> >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understood now, and noted. >>> > > > > > > > > may just leave it alone as it is less critical then > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say, logging in at all laughs. >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 14 >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jun 2022, >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Herbie >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allen wrote: >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In iOS, you cannot download apps from >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > third-party sites, > > > > > > > > > you >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have no choice but to use the App store. >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a > > > > > > > > > result, every app >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is vetted by Apple before submission. > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The other result is that >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if someone wants you to run > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they're program, they have to submit >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the app directly to > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apple. The Mac however is a different >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > animal. We can use > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Safari to download directly and the >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > system is not > > > > > > > > > directly >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sandboxed. Take Zoom. To use it on the >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iPhone, > > > > > > > > > App store, no >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other way though it might work through > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Safari. However, there >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is no Zoom app on the Mac App > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > store. There are some things that >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will work with Zoom, > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but if you want the actual program the >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > company provides, > > > > > > > > > you >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to go to there website. It’s a safe >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > app to > > > > > > > > > download, but I >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don’t know if you restrict your > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > downloads if that one would work >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for instance. My point > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though is that if you only download apps >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from people you > > > > > > > > > know, >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then you don’t have to worry about >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > security > > > > > > > > > measures that >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may or may not hamper your Mac experience. >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 14, 2022, at 21:35, Karen >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lewellen > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is not that what is meant by >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trusted developers > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though? My understanding is >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that limiting downloads > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can protect you from >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bugs and viruses. >>> > > > > > > > > > > I know nothing about the IOS store, having no iPhone. >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 14 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think the possible time goes >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into the hours. As > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the app store apps, >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keep in mind that the Mac > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > app store is not >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like the one for iOS. I suppose >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > m1 > > > > > > > > > > > users >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might have a bit more >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flex-ability in this > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manner with Catalyst, >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but I would not want to limit > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my app >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > download options for the Mac >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since most will > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come from third-party sites. >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 14, 2022, at 20:08, >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karen Lewellen > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <klewel...@shellworld.net> >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi folks, >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > I may wait to address this, but since my hmemate > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and I will be addressing the >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > log in password > > > > > > > > > > > > request >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > happening every time a awaken the mac > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow, thought I would ask about this. >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand from another, and far more informed > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apple accessibility team >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > member that I can either > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > turn off the password request, or decide how often >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want the request to >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > happen, anyone have an idea > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > how much time is possible? >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, thoughts on the safety of allowing downloads >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only from the apple store, >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > and trusted developers? >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kare >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > The following information is >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important for all > > > > > > > > > > > members of the Mac Visionaries list. >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have any questions or >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerns about the > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running of this >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list, or if you feel that a >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > member's > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post is inappropriate, please >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contact the owners or > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moderators >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly rather than posting on >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the list > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > itself. >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mac Visionaries list >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moderator is Mark > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taylor. 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You can >>> > > > > > > reach > > > mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara >>> > > > > > > Quinn - you can > > > reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> > > > > > > The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> > > > --- >>> > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>> > > > > > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > >>> > > > > > send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> > > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > > >>> > > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/848C53D7-1CFA-431D-A886-40BD0E287A72%40gmail.com. >>> > > > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of >>> > > > > > the Mac > Visionaries list. >>> > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >>> > > or > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >>> > > the > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>> > > itself. >>> > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach >>> > > mark > at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can >>> > > reach Cara > at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> > > The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> > --- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>> > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > >>> > an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> > To view this discussion on the web visit > >>> > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/1AD97523-CE09-4A76-BF93-DA1506FFC044%40gmail.com. >>> > >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/889afb03-4851-f66e-4dd2-03014fcd8989%40gmail.com. >> >> -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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