Updating to the latest Microsoft Word version from Office 365 probably won’t 
address all of your concerns, but it may eliminate the worst of them, if you’ve 
been using an outdated version. I would also recommend Mac OS Monterey with 
everything up to date.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> on 
behalf of Jürgen Fleger <mailinglis...@fleger.net>
Date: Thursday, 23June, 2022 at 08:48
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Working around MS Word
""Hi,
OK, I'll give Word another chance. Some months ago it was awful.
Pages workes quite great. I'd love to see VO reading more attributes after 
pressing VO t but all in all I like it very much.
Jürgen

Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Am 23.06.2022 um 14:32 schrieb 'ja...@jasonjgw.net' via MacVisionaries 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>:

Also, I’ve read positive reports about the accessibility of Pages from those 
who’ve used it much more than I have. I’ve only run it a few times for testing.

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, 22June, 2022 at 18:53
To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Working around MS Word
Recent versions have improved somewhat in their accessibility.
Make sure you’re using the latest Office 365, monthly channel, for the best 
that Microsoft Word for Mac currently offers to the VoiceOver user. Old 
versions are definitely problematic.



On 22 Jun, 2022, at 16:57, John Panarese 
<jpanar...@gmail.com<mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

  I agree, Tim. It works well. I have been made to work with sophisticated 
documents and it is surprisingly accessible.


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On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:03 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Works fine for me.

 Later...

Sent from my iPhone



On Jun 22, 2022, at 1:00 PM, Jürgen Fleger 
<mailinglis...@fleger.net<mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net>> wrote:
Sorry Tim, Word for Mac works terrible. Reading a simple text might work but 
in the moment a document is more suffisticated or very long Word doesn’t work 
very well.
In my opinion Outlook is the only app which works quite well using VoiceOver.
Jürgen


Am 22.06.2022 um 21:51 schrieb 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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Hi,

I think that you might be running on old information about Microsoft Word. It 
is very accessible on the Mac now. But, if you do want to move docs 
back-and-forth between word, and an app, Pages is very accessible, and can 
import and export to Microsoft Word easily.

Later…


Sent from my iPhone



On Jun 22, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Andrew Leland 
<alel...@gmail.com<mailto:alel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Here’s another question for the group:

One of the main reasons I’m considering abandoning MacOS for Windows is that I 
have to send and receive MS Word docs, often with track changes and comments. I 
primarily work in Scrivener and export to Word, but I can’t give up word 
entirely because I need to be able to check the formatting of the exported 
docx, and process tracked changes and comments on files I’m receiving. Does 
anyone know of a way to bring a .docx with track changes and comments into a 
more accessible program than Word on the Mac? Like maybe Apple Pages? Trying to 
think of a way that I don’t have to switch to Windows, though I’m sort of 
resigned to that fate considering everything I know about MS Word for MacOS...

Thanks and high fives all around,
Andrew


On Jun 22, 2022, at 2:17 PM, Jürgen Fleger 
<mailinglis...@fleger.net<mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net>> wrote:

Hi Andrew,

I’m sorry to hear you are getting blind. Ask as much as you want here in this 
list. A lot of great experts share their knowledge. You could also have a look 
on applevis.com<http://applevis.com/>. Very rich.

Press CMD + Option + v instead of just CMD + v to move an element in the Finder.

Scrivener for Mac is also a great tool which is quite accessible to VoiceOver. 
Unfortunately Word isn’t as accessible as it could be. In this point I’m very 
disappointed from Microsoft. They could really do better.

All the best
Jürgen




Am 22.06.2022 um 20:07 schrieb Andrew Leland 
<alel...@gmail.com<mailto:alel...@gmail.com>>:

Hey all,

I'm a lifelong sighted Mac user currently in the process of becoming a blind 
Mac user. I've also decided to learn JAWS (even though I would've never dream 
of switching to Windows otherwise) since I can't avoid MS Word in my work and 
I've been gobsmacked by how frequently Word for Mac stops working compared to 
Scrivener, which is my main workhorse word processor. (also finding some of the 
JAWS navigation, especially on the web, more reliable and intuitive than 
VoiceOver for MacOS).

Anyway none of this has anything to do with my question for you, which is as 
follows:

is there any way to move items in the finder without just copying, deleting, 
then pasting in the new location? I know in Windows you can "cut" a file and 
then "paste" it elsewhere, removing this middle step of having to then go back 
and delete the file... I have half-heartedly tried reading the apple 
documentation about dragging and dropping with VoiceOver but I haven't had the 
courage to try. is it more efficient than copy file, paste file, delete file in 
the finder?

thanks, and thanks for including me in this group!
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