Actually, speaking only for myself, this is not correct.
The apple location where I intend visiting is the same one where I would
previously go and seek a safe for my use IOS voice.
They have a small room where they provide classes, are allowing me to
speak with the technician in advance, as well as exchange details on my
goals.
I just want to meet them half way with some basics.
Sure we have dreadful stores in Toronto, assuming apple did not do the
smart thing and close the fairview location.
But, again for me personally, this store is already being quite terrific.
Karen
On Tue, 28 Jun 2022, Les Kriegler wrote:
In addition, unless things have changed, I think you would be very disappointed
if you go to an Apple Store for training. It is a very noisy environment and
even if you can find someone know something about voiceover, I don’t think
you’re going to get the results you desire by going there.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 28, 2022, at 6:13 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
An Apple store visit is fine but there is nothing ;like working with a
Voiceover user who uses VO day in day out.
If you have sighted helper, yes you can turn VO off.
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On 6/28/2022 2:26 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
That is what an apple store is for.
My first priority to be honest is getting a solid enough voice.
The onboard tutorial is helping, but again I am far more used to greater
keyboard dexterity, meaning I will make mistakes while trying to learn
voiceover itself.
Oh yet another question on that front.
does voiceover have to be on to update the voices from compact to enhanced?
Tim explained how it is done, cannot seem to get back there, but that can be a
task for one of my mac using homemates, if I can turn off vo I mean.
On Tue, 28 Jun 2022, E.T. wrote:
Karen, I would strongly suggest you put your focus solely on mastering
Voiceover before venturing into other areas. Get a handle on the Voiceover
commands as well as those the the standard Mac commands.
Find a local Voiceover user and invite him/her to come over and work with you.
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On 6/28/2022 1:49 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
Well...apparently I must have missed a detail.
going to the dock does not let you type a program name at all. It does
put you on a list, but as I am still finding or configuring a solidly
understandable voice, not all programs are well easy to follow.
Again part of why I want to run text edit, typing practice that does not
cause a problem.
and on another note, there seem to be groups everywhere,
Honestly I am working from the assumption that should I manage to launch
text edit I would end up on a text field.
I might add, that there is not a more fluid display layout...its quite
frustrating when I cannot discover how to repeat what I just heard, and
there is an identifier of a command I still cannot translate.
On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:
It’s the first thing on your Doc. Hit enter, on Finder, and you’re > good to
go.D
On Jun 27, 2022, at 21:30, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> > >
wrote:
and just to confirm, the command to open the finder?
On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:
VO D is the Doc, VO Shift D is the Desktop. A lot of default apps > > > are in the Doc, but if
not, Open the finder and do a Command shift > > > A. This will bring up the apps folder. You can
also use Siri to > > > open apps.
On Jun 26, 2022, at 22:18, Karen Lewellen > > > > <klewel...@shellworld.net>
wrote:
I am not interested in running the terminal if voiceover is not > > > > 100%
no idea how to even get there.
Are applications normally in the docs?
Something I read from another voiceover source suggested that > > > > vo-d
just takes you to the desktop.
Still want to access voiceover help keys and the like, which do > > > > not
seem to be terminal associated.
Likewise pages could serve the same typing practice goal.
All of my Linux Ubuntu shell work is via a service, called > > > >
shellworld, using my non Linux screen reader.
On Sun, 26 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
Hello,
If applications are in the dock then pressing the VO-D then the > > > > > first few letters
of the applications followed by return will > > > > > launch the application.
Alternatively, you could use the open command in terminal.
open -a textedit
will open and activate the textedit application
open myDocument.txt
will open myDocument.txt in the default application for that > > > > > file
open -a textedit myDocument.txt
will open myDocument.txt in the textedit application
Here is some more info:
joncohn@speedy ~ %
open: unrecognized option `--help'
Usage: open [-e] [-t] [-f] [-W] [-R] [-n] [-g] [-h] [-s <partial > > > > > SDK name>][-b <bundle
identifier>] [-a <application>] [-u URL] > > > > > [filenames] [--args arguments]
Help: Open opens files from a shell.
By default, opens each file using the default application > > > > > for
that file.
If the file is in the form of a URL, the file will be > > > > > opened as
a URL.
Options:
-a Opens with the > > > > > specified application.
-b Opens with the > > > > > specified application
bundle identifier.
-e Opens with > > > > > TextEdit.
-t Opens with default > > > > > text editor.
-f Reads input from > > > > > standard input and opens
with TextEdit.
-F --fresh Launches the app fresh, > > > > > that is, without restoring
windows. Saved persistent state is > > > > > lost, excluding Untitled documents.
-R, --reveal Selects in the Finder > > > > > instead of opening.
-W, --wait-apps Blocks until the used > > > > > applications are
closed (even if they were already running).
--args All remaining > > > > > arguments are passed in argv to the
application's main() > > > > > function instead of opened.
-n, --new Open a new instance of > > > > > the application
even if one is already running.
-j, --hide Launches the app hidden.
-g, --background Does not bring the application > > > > > to the
foreground.
-h, --header Searches header file > > > > > locations for headers matching the
given filenames, and opens > > > > > them.
-s For -h, the SDK to > > > > > use; if supplied, only SDKs whose
names contain the argument > > > > > value are searched.
Otherwise the > > > > > highest versioned SDK in
each platform is used.
-u, --url URL Open this URL, even if it > > > > > matches exactly
a filepath
-i, --stdin PATH Launches the application with > > > > > stdin
connected to PATH; defaults to /dev/null
-o, --stdout PATH Launches the application with > > > > > /dev/stdout
connected to PATH;
--stderr PATH Launches the application with > > > > > /dev/stderr
connected to PATH to
--env VAR Add an enviroment > > > > > variable to the launched process, where
VAR is formatted AAA=foo > > > > > or just AAA for a null string value.
Jonathan Cohn
On Jun 26, 2022, at 19:57, Karen Lewellen > > > > > >
<klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
Hi folks,
One thing I am personally finding I seriously need is basic > > > > > >
keyboard typing practice.
On my main computers, because I have been using them for so > > > > > > many years, I am a swift typist who is
very very very used > > > > > > to keeping my hands on the main keyboard and knowing where I > > > >
> > am from a screen reader standpoint as well.
I am personally feeling that some time with either textedit, > > > > > > or pages, will let me
just practice typing with no fear that I > > > > > > will set something off with the mac itself.
I want to be so solid with my typing that entering my password > > > > > > without input will
be effortless, I doubt I can turn off > > > > > > having to provide his for my apple ID for
example.
so, at this stage, what is the fastest way to load textedit? > > > > > > say
using the menu bar, if that is an option?
I will want to know as well how to keep certain programs I use > > > > > > often either in the
finder, or in the menu, bar, which > > > > > > ever is most practical.
I am used to just typing whatever starts the program, I never > > > > > >
used windows at all.
Ideas?
Kare
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