I agree. Only time will tell, of course. Who better to train people on their
products than Apple themselves? I haven't used it, but I do like their
one-to-one service, and my hope is they've set aside some staff that have
been trained in VoiceOver for us. If not, they should.

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:24 AM, marie Howarth <marie.jane2...@gmail.com>wrote:

> I think it all depends on the user and their attitude too. An individual
> may hear about macs on a podcast or know of another user with a mac who is
> also VI, and take themselves off to the Apple store. In manchester, I know
> due to myself and a few other VI customers, most of the staff in the store
> are highly familiar with voice over. As for training, I think its coming
> from Apple in the near future.
>
> On 15 Apr 2010, at 10:54, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>
>  I'd very much doubt it Rob.  I don't know what it's like in other
> countries, but here in Ireland most of the trainers are actually sighted.
> Macs haven't penetrated the mainstream userbase to the same extent as
> windows-based Pcs.  Consequently the level of knowledge among the trainers
> on the actual OS itself (not including VO) is virtually non existent.  The
> fact that the trainers would have to go and learn an entirely new platform,
> and then educate themselves in a new style of assistive technology makes it
> pretty certain that the majority of blind users will be stuck with Jaws and
> other badly implemented screenreaders for the foreseeable future.
>
> It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is the case.
>
> Dónal
>
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> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Rob Lambert
> *Sent:* 15 April 2010 10:47
> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: new member
>
> Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices?
>
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer <joeplum...@tds.net> wrote:
>
>> For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sign,
>> Joe Plummer ( JP )
>> joeplum...@tds.net
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: new member
>>
>> Hello Denise,
>>
>> I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS
>> Office for Mac is not accessible.
>>
>> As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read
>> these
>> just fine.
>>
>> I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows
>> user.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Anne
>>
>> On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:
>>
>> > hello,
>> > after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my
>> experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac
>> book
>> pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig of
>> ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity.
>> > i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the
>> one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago.
>> > i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your
>> other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw
>> stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to
>> apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again?
>> > I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony  machine for these
>> purposes.
>> there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows on one side
>> and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these questions would be
>> apprciated.
>> >
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